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Old 06-25-2022, 12:43 AM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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Originally Posted by BigCityDreamer View Post
I disagree with any state banning abortion outright. That seems extreme to me. I hope they will be prevented from doing that.

Banning abortion after 15 weeks is much more reasonable.
Several already have, others are working on it.

 
Old 06-25-2022, 12:44 AM
 
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I gave you an answer. Go to a state where abortion is legal. Problem solved.
Many women will not be able to do that, which still brings us back to my questions. They are:

In states that want to ban abortion entirely:

1. Who will pay for prenatal care if the mother can't afford it? (For example, Texas leads the nation in teen pregnancies.)

2. How will states deal with an increase in babies the parents can't afford? How will social programs to feed these babies be expanded?

3. Will state-funded DNA testing be automatically enacted to confirm paternity? How will paternity tests be bodily forced upon accused fathers?

4. Will stiffer penalties, including prison, be enforced against fathers who refuse to pay child support? Will the mothers be represented pro bono if they can't afford attorneys to ensure this happens?

5. Will rape charges be brought by the state if the girl is underage and the man isn't?

Thanks!
 
Old 06-25-2022, 12:45 AM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Originally Posted by Ellis Bell View Post
I don't share yours either, so now what?
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Originally Posted by Petunia 100 View Post
Discontinue asking me questions about abortion being murder? My answer is always going to be that abortion is not murder.
Killing = dead. (murder is a legal term)

The 13 million food insecure number of children has been reduced to 11 million. Seems plausible since the TFR for the u.s. is at 1.64; replacement level is 2.1. If the trend continues so will the number being reported on food insecurities.

btw: for a country that is reported as to be the wealthiest nation globally --- also reports 11 million children with food insecurity, that's just sad. Also means we have a management issue with government, not a birthing issue.
 
Old 06-25-2022, 12:47 AM
 
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Originally Posted by jdaelectro View Post
Thats your subjective opinion, not fact.
Same with the above ^^^^^, and the exchange/back and forth is an example of my point.
 
Old 06-25-2022, 12:50 AM
 
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Bingo. Libs think everyone should think and do as they do.
Except being pro choice doesn't make anyone nor require being a 'lib'.
 
Old 06-25-2022, 12:52 AM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Except being pro choice doesn't make anyone nor require being a 'lib'.
Bingo…it’s just one factor…and you represent them well. It’s great to have choices.

Last edited by erieguy; 06-25-2022 at 01:00 AM..
 
Old 06-25-2022, 12:52 AM
 
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Killing = dead.

The 13 million food insecure number of children has been reduced to 11 million. Seems plausible since the TFR for the u.s. is at 1.64; replacement level is 2.1. If the trend continues so will the number being reported on food insecurities.

btw: for a country that is reported as to be the wealthiest nation globally --- also reports 11 million children with food insecurity, that's just sad. Also means we have a management issue with government, not a birthing issue.
The birth rate may be down but I see no proof that that is because of fertility rate being down. You believe there simply won't be more babies born than previously? What was happening with all the abortions then? Logically if women have been having abortions, that points to fertility.

So say...in Whereverville, TX, 2000 pregnancies happened a year ago. 30 were aborted and 1,970 babies were born.

So this year there are 2000 pregnancies agsin, none are aborted and now 30 MORE babies are born in that town than the previous year. 2000 babies instead of 1,970.

Right?

Am I missing something?

Now extend thst and enlarge it to meet the number to fit an entire state.

That's more babies.
 
Old 06-25-2022, 12:55 AM
 
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Interesting how you don’t like answers to your questions and think you’re going to get folks to think as you do and give you an answer that fits your narrative.

Adoption is a great option, much like the ability to go to a state where abortion is legal. There’s always a choice, which is great.

You’re welcome!
There are currently 500,000 children in U.S. foster care. People who have the money for a U.S. adoption don't want an unhealthy baby, a drug addicted baby, or an older child whose parents failed him or her.

Adoption already isn't an option for 500,000 U.S. children and now there will be more.

You're welcome.
 
Old 06-25-2022, 12:57 AM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Originally Posted by JerZ View Post
The birth rate may be down but I see no proof that that is because of fertility rate being down. You believe there simply won't be more babies born than previously? What was happening with all the abortions then? Logically if women have been having abortions, that points to fertility.

So say...in Whereverville, TX, 2000 pregnancies happened a year ago. 30 were aborted and 1,970 babies were born.

So this year there are 2000 pregnancies agsin, none are aborted and now 30 MORE babies are born in that town than the previous year. 2000 babies instead of 1,970.

Right?

Am I missing something?

Now extend thst and enlarge it to meet the number to fit an entire state.

That's more babies.
Fertility? Think contraceptives --- birth and abortions decline. Women are not getting pregnant.
 
Old 06-25-2022, 12:57 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Taxpayers will be forced to foot the bill. Next question please.
Or the new adopting parents.

Also, look for a dramatic decline in "unplanned" pregnancies when abortion is no longer available as after the fact contraception.
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