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The Brits don't like an armed Population since they saw what happened in the late 1700's.
They are the reason we have the 1st and 2nd Amendment.
We both look at Arms from different perspective. They want to maintain a Monarchy and we want to remove one as needed.
Total nonsense, as most guns were legal until the recent Hungerford Massacre (1987) and Dunblane Massacre (1996).
Guns legally owned by Michael Ryan (Hungerford) during the 1980's included
Norinco Type 56 7.62×39mm semi-automatic rifle, which is a Chinese type of AK-47
Underwood Carbine .30 rifle, a military rifle used by the US Army
Zabala shotgun
Browning shotgun
Beretta 9mm pistol
Bernardelli .22 pistol
CZ ORSO self-loading .32 ACP pistol
Legally owned guns held by Thomas Hamilton (Dunblane) included -
Two 9mm Browning HP pistol
Two Smith & Wesson M19 .357 Magnum revolver
So guns were hardly banned, and even after more restrictive legislation guns are still not banned, and there are lots of gun ranges, rifle shooting, shotgun sports, hunting, pest control etc.
In terms of the UK, the vast majority of police do not carry firearms, and I think you will find that following the English Civil War (1642–1651) power now resides with the UK Parliament.
So guns were hardly banned, and even after more restrictive legislation guns are still not banned, and there are lots of gun ranges, rifle shooting, shotgun sports, hunting, pest control etc.
In terms of the UK, the vast majority of police do not carry firearms, and I think you will find that following the English Civil War (1642–1651) power now resides with the UK Parliament.
Yes, but where are those guns kept? Can a private citizen, NOW, have the type of guns I described in my previous post in their home?
As far as police not carrying firearms, well, that's a statement that can look good on the surface, but what is underneath it all? As a Provost Marshal, my police and security forces were not allowed to carry guns unless the balloon went up.........so we were trained in, ready to use all means of unarmed combat we could lay our hands on. As I often say, hit (lightning strike) to put him in the hospital.....and it is up to the Fates if it is the ER or the morgue.
Yes, but where are those guns kept? Can a private citizen, NOW, have the type of guns I described in my previous post in their home?
Restrictions came in following the tragedies at Hungerford (1987) and Dunblane (1996).
The Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988, which was passed in the wake of the Hungerford massacre, bans the ownership of semi-automatic centre-fire rifles and restricts the use of shotguns with a capacity of more than three cartridges (in magazine plus the breech).
Following the Dunblane Massacre, the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 was introduced, banning all cartridge ammunition handguns with the exception of .22 calibre single-shot weapons in England, Scotland and Wales. This was followed soon after by the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997, banning the remaining .22 cartridge handguns as well.
You can apply for a shotgun or rifle licence in the UK, however this is subject to background checks.
Guns in the UK have traditionally been in relation to recreation and sport, game keeping, farming (pest control) and hunting/culling.
Guns were not permitted to be kept for merely self defence reasons.
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As far as police not carrying firearms, well, that's a statement that can look good on the surface, but what is underneath it all? As a Provost Marshal, my police and security forces were not allowed to carry guns unless the balloon went up.........so we were trained in, ready to use all means of unarmed combat we could lay our hands on. As I often say, hit (lightning strike) to put him in the hospital.....and it is up to the Fates if it is the ER or the morgue.
Only a small number of highly trained officers are permitted to carry guns, and the firearms training is constant and would be seen as arduous by normal US police standards.
........Guns were not permitted to be kept for merely self defence reasons.
Only a small number of highly trained officers are permitted to carry guns, and the firearms training is constant and would be seen as arduous by normal US police standards.
A and B.
A: Well, it is nice to know how the powers that be value my life if self defence is seen as a merely reason (sort of like some US laws that apply to women...is the rest of the world really that civilized?).
B: Noted on those few officers who are permitted to carry guns but my point was more to an unarmed police force from the angle that my people were quick to strike, devastating at close range. What is the difference in culture, in attitude.....or do your police also slam faces into the pavement with a foot sweep in the blink of an eye?
A and B.
A: Well, it is nice to know how the powers that be value my life if self defence is seen as a merely reason (sort of like some US laws that apply to women...is the rest of the world really that civilized?).
Concealed carry or guns under the pillow are not part of our culture, and there is very littlr chances of being robbed or attacked by someone carrying a gun.
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B: Noted on those few officers who are permitted to carry guns but my point was more to an unarmed police force from the angle that my people were quick to strike, devastating at close range. What is the difference in culture, in attitude.....or do your police also slam faces into the pavement with a foot sweep in the blink of an eye?
The UK police are only supposed use necessary force, or what is reasonable in the circumstances.
The guiding principles first laid down by Sir Robert Peel still very much apply.
Concealed carry or guns under the pillow are not part of our culture, and there is very littlr chances of being robbed or attacked by someone carrying a gun.
Well, there we go, the focus that violence only happens with a gun.
WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF BEING ATTACKED BY SOMEONE WITH SOME OTHER WEAPON?
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The UK police are only supposed use necessary force, or what is reasonable in the circumstances.
The guiding principles first laid down by Sir Robert Peel still very much apply.
Good for them. The way I see it, unarmed, if you don't obey my verbal order, I am striking before you decide to strike......or at the very least, on the first sign of attack, my response is defence/offence in one move.
Well, there we go, the focus that violence only happens with a gun.
WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF BEING ATTACKED BY SOMEONE WITH SOME OTHER WEAPON?
You are not allowed to carry any offensive weapon and neither is a potential attacker.
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Originally Posted by TamaraSavannah
Good for them. The way I see it, unarmed, if you don't obey my verbal order, I am striking before you decide to strike......or at the very least, on the first sign of attack, my response is defence/offence in one move.
British police usually try and de-escalate situations and try to end incidents without violence if possible.
Improved understanding of mental health issues and closer working partnerships with emergency mental health teams, can also improve outcomes.
Verbal communication, tactical communication, conflict management and de-escalation are powerful tools, and this is especially the case in terms of the marginalised, suicidal, mentally ill, learning disabled and other groups that police come in to contact with on a regular basis.
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