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While I'm not sure as to how accurate BBC murder mysteries are concerning the UK's homicide rate , the UK is definitely ahead of certain countries ( including the States ) with respect to particular " traditions " that relate to violence such as bare knuckle brawling .
" Hardman " type characters like Lenny McLean/Lew Yates/Viv Graham most likely don't have their American equivalents , because British working class culture has a totally different view of what's manly when it comes to " taking care " of one's problems .
The way I've heard it explained to me by those Liverpool " old heads " I used to see now and again in a pub over there that I used to hang out at , is that it's seen as downright effeminate to use guns to handle your problems ( including defending yourself ) when one can use their fists .
So really present day British legislation concerning firearms seems to be reinforced by deeply held cultural attitudes among a significant segment of the populace , which hold that " shooters are for poofters that can't fight " , that is it's not just the arguably very much nanny state tendencies of the British government which come into play when examining the state of firearms legislation in the present day UK .
Could it be sour grapes? If you can't even have a gun, I suppose you make excuses like "fists are for men".
Making I am not making myself clear. In the US, the cop who stops the speeder does not know if the car he is walking up on contains someone on the vacation of a life time, joy riding teenagers, jerks who think the law does not apply to them, or the lifer just out of prison who has sworn he is not going back to prison again at any cost.
We are putting a person in that kind of situation where he or she has to be diplomatic but at the same time, ready to respond in a split second.
What is different in the Brit culture where, it appears, the crooks are equally matched with the correct police unit....and we don't have that in the American culture?
The difference is that gun crime is relatively rare in the UK and the police don't have the same level of potential life threatening confrontations, and are therefore less paranoid and less likely to resort to US style police tactics.
Making I am not making myself clear. In the US, the cop who stops the speeder does not know if the car he is walking up on contains someone on the vacation of a life time, joy riding teenagers, jerks who think the law does not apply to them, or the lifer just out of prison who has sworn he is not going back to prison again at any cost.
We are putting a person in that kind of situation where he or she has to be diplomatic but at the same time, ready to respond in a split second.
What is different in the Brit culture where, it appears, the crooks are equally matched with the correct police unit....and we don't have that in the American culture?
Um-no. Guess what, "crooks" (criminals) don't obey laws. These laws do zero to disarm violent criminals. However, they do ensure that their law abiding potential victims are defenseless. OSHA for criminals. But that's little different from what many Democratic-run cities are doing in this country. And for much the same reason, both want to ensure that potential victims are defenseless in the face of violence-rather from criminals or an abusive government.
The difference is that gun crime is relatively rare in the UK and the police don't have the same level of potential life threatening confrontations, and are therefore less paranoid and less likely to resort to US style police tactics.
Okay, I don't have a gun but a spray bottle of acid and when the cop leans into the car, I spray it in their face.
OH, IT MAKES ME SHAKE MY FISTS! You are focusing on the gun as if that is the only way to hurt someone else.......and it is not.
What is it about the difference of cultures that makes one so non violent but the other is.....or is it just a myth.
Oh, and by the way, the preferred weapon of a rapist is a knife because against women, disfigurement is a powerful "motivator".
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake
Um-no. Guess what, "crooks" (criminals) don't obey laws. These laws do zero to disarm violent criminals. However, they do ensure that their law abiding potential victims are defenseless. OSHA for criminals. But that's little different from what many Democratic-run cities are doing in this country. And for much the same reason, both want to ensure that potential victims are defenseless in the face of violence-rather from criminals or an abusive government.
That was rather my point and as presented from across the lake, it seems the criminals do obey laws, do play fair.
OKAY!.........but what makes the crooks different? What makes them play fair? Has the Brit police way changed them into nice, fair playing crooks? Do they come from a basic stock of people who only know to act that way?
OKAY!.........but what makes the crooks different? What makes them play fair? Has the Brit police way changed them into nice, fair playing crooks? Do they come from a basic stock of people who only know to act that way?
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