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Old 07-30-2022, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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You are not allowed to carry any offensive weapon and neither is a potential attacker.

British police usually try and de-escalate situations and try to end incidents without violence if possible.
Well, there we go. The advantage the crook has is that he knows when he is going to attack, the good person has to respond after he as already attacked and is therefore fighting the uphill battle to gain the advantage of not losing.....if they ever gain it at all.

The crook is using all the things of being good to their advantage. It is like what the Doctor told Romana I.....you can't be a good crook with a dishonest face. (The Ribos Operation)

It is all very well and good if your population is that agreeable (for whatever reason) but if they are not......
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Old 07-30-2022, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Well, there we go. The advantage the crook has is that he knows when he is going to attack, the good person has to respond after he as already attacked and is therefore fighting the uphill battle to gain the advantage of not losing.....if they ever gain it at all.

The crook is using all the things of being good to their advantage. It is like what the Doctor told Romana I.....you can't be a good crook with a dishonest face. (The Ribos Operation)

It is all very well and good if your population is that agreeable (for whatever reason) but if they are not......
The police don't just deal with so called crooks, they deal with a lot of societal problems on a daily basis.

In this respect de-escalating and trying to relate to individuals is an important set of skills.

There are times when the police will have to defend themselves, however the police's role should be more than turning up and taking out a weapon or putting the boot in, or shooting the family pet.

If the police want the respect of a community then they have to earn it.
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Old 07-30-2022, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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The police don't just deal with so called crooks, they deal with a lot of societal problems on a daily basis.

In this respect de-escalating and trying to relate to individuals is an important set of skills.

There are times when the police will have to defend themselves, however the police's role should be more than turning up and taking out a weapon or putting the boot in, or shooting the family pet.

If the police want the respect of a community then they have to earn it.
It would be nice if the crooks picked the type of police they should go after. That is, if the terrorists only went after the commandos and not the traffic cop........but they don't do that, do they?

As to that question, "Do you see everyone as a terrorist?" well, that is how I am trained, with being an unarmed target, the officer to take out first, way back in the 80s. Maybe not to see everyone as a terrorist but to strike quickly.

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Old 07-30-2022, 08:30 AM
 
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in uk, only the rich can have guns
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Old 07-30-2022, 08:39 AM
 
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It would be nice if the crooks picked the type of police they should go after. That is, if the terrorists only went after the commandos and not the traffic cop........but they don't do that, do they?
The police have armed units and specialist support to deal with an array of situations, whilst rural forces often combine the traffic cop role with that of armed response, due to the high performance traffic cars and the ability to get to a scene quickly.

In terms of terrorism incidents, there are armed response vehicles, armed teams and specialist units such as Counter Terrorism Specialist Firearms Teams (CTSFO), whilst military units as as the SAS Counter Revolutionary Warfare Wing (CRW) are on constant standby.

However in terms of normal day to day policing, de-escalation and the Peelian Principles, are still at the very heart of good policing.
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Old 07-30-2022, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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The police have armed units and specialist support to deal with an array of situations, whilst rural forces often combine the traffic cop role with that of armed response, due to the high performance traffic cars and the ability to get to a scene quickly.

In terms of terrorism incidents, there are armed response vehicles, armed teams and specialist units such as Counter Terrorism Specialist Firearms Teams (CTSFO), whilst military units as as the SAS Counter Revolutionary Warfare Wing (CRWW) are on constant standby.

I'm glad but the question is, when the bad guy strikes, who does he go after?
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Old 07-30-2022, 08:56 AM
 
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I'm glad but the question is, when the bad guy strikes, who does he go after?
It depends, as there is no one specific bad guy, and there are a multitude of differing crimes and motives.

There's also often not a bad guy, as it's not that black and white, and the police deal with everything from the homeless to the mentally ill through to domestic disputes.

They also deal with everything fro robberies through to terrorism, and from fraud to slavery, child exploitation, sexual offences, violent offences, homicides etc etc.

The police have numerous specialist units and support.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO0FFoM2S8A
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Old 07-30-2022, 09:03 AM
 
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The battle of Lexington and Concord cannot in the least be described as an attempt of the British government to enforce " gun control " , since the reason for the whole affair wasn't related to the Patriots violating any sort of law related to firearms , but their overall intent ( i.e. the fact that they were acting in a rebellious manner in the eyes of the British government ) .

After all what sort of laws relating to the purchase , possession , ownership , etc. , of firearms actually existed in the colonies and/or the entirety of the British Empire at the time ?

As the article ( written by a very pro Second Amendment scholar by the way ) I've linked clearly demonstrates , firearms laws as such didn't really exist in the United Kingdom prior to 1920 , long after the American War of Independence ended .

Of course certain sources such as Wikipedia do claim that the 1870 Gun License Act required all British citizens to obtain a permit to carry firearms outside of their own property , but that is again an example of gun control enacted way after the War of Independence ended :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firear...United_Kingdom




In short the attempt of transposing present day political issues ( such as gun control ) onto long past historical events is extremely misguided .

Thank you for describing the pretzel you bent yourself into to defend the British storming an area with the intent to disarm the citizens as "not gun control". Unreal.
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Old 07-30-2022, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Making I am not making myself clear. In the US, the cop who stops the speeder does not know if the car he is walking up on contains someone on the vacation of a life time, joy riding teenagers, jerks who think the law does not apply to them, or the lifer just out of prison who has sworn he is not going back to prison again at any cost.

We are putting a person in that kind of situation where he or she has to be diplomatic but at the same time, ready to respond in a split second.

What is different in the Brit culture where, it appears, the crooks are equally matched with the correct police unit....and we don't have that in the American culture?
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Old 07-30-2022, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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sounds like NJ where you can’t carry a pocketknife or pepper spray let alone even possess a taser or stun gun. then when people’s land rover gets jacked they are all like
Are you serious? I've carried a pocket knife virtually every day of my life since I was old enough-probably starting around 12 (yes, we carried pocket knives in school all the time. And NO ONE ever stabbed anyone). Hard to believe just how backwards and regressive these "blue" states have become.
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