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Old 08-12-2022, 05:41 AM
 
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That seems to be different if one owns one's own business. There is no law against an illegal alien owning a business in the US.
"There is no law against an illegal alien owning a business in the US."
But, there is no way an illegal CAN LEGALLY open a business.

The very 1st thing one has to have is a LEGAL Social Security card and number!
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Old 08-12-2022, 06:08 AM
 
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who creates high paying jobs? who buys whatever they want? it all trickles down. free market capitalism gives you the life you enjoy, which is a much better standard of living than socialist utopias. under capitalism, you can go to whatever restaurant you want. you can go to the supermarket and buy basically anything you want. you can buy specialty products. what does government create? i wonder how many high paying jobs people like Elon Musk created? space x, tesla, boring company, paypal. that’s trickle down. the idea is to let businesses thrive by getting the foot of government off off their throats.
The picture you are painting is an absurdity.

The most effective solution has always been a hybrid between capitalism and socialism. Capitalism as you say, is a fantastic tool when used in the right way. But it only serves the greater good and lifts all boats as Reagan imagined when it is properly regulated.

Why did we decide to stop implementing our anti-trust and anti-monopoly laws and allow giant corporations to consolidate and grow with no restraint? Why did we allow corporations to gain the rights of citizens?

It's very simple - follow the $$$. Corporations now have a nearly unrestrained flow of money into our legislatures. And money corrupts absolutely.

When 10% of the population of a country that is the richest in the world remain in poverty, and average hard working people are forced to slave until the day they die, it is clear that many people are not experiencing a "life they can enjoy". This is only a fantasy.
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Old 08-12-2022, 06:12 AM
 
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"There is no law against an illegal alien owning a business in the US."
But, there is no way an illegal CAN LEGALLY open a business.

The very 1st thing one has to have is a LEGAL Social Security card and number!
Legally, and in theory, you are correct. The reality is much different.


An example. A friend of mine works as an engineer for an injection molding supplier. A few years ago, he had to run to the plant because production had stopped, and the customer needed the parts. Apparently, there was a threat of ICE coming to the plant to investigate. So, basically almost an entire shift of the workers split. After further investigation, HR noticed several of the workers had duplicate SS numbers. So it does happen.

This is why I'm for every single business to be a part of E Verify. And then there are businesses like landscaping, masonry work etc. How do we as the consumer know if they are legal ,or do they have one legal person and it's staffed by illegals ?
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Old 08-12-2022, 06:18 AM
 
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The picture you are painting is an absurdity.

The most effective solution has always been a hybrid between capitalism and socialism. Capitalism as you say, is a fantastic tool when used in the right way. But it only serves the greater good and lifts all boats as Reagan imagined when it is properly regulated.

Why did we decide to stop implementing our anti-trust and anti-monopoly laws and allow giant corporations to consolidate and grow with no restraint? Why did we allow corporations to gain the rights of citizens?

It's very simple - follow the $$$. Corporations now have a nearly unrestrained flow of money into our legislatures. And money corrupts absolutely.

When 10% of the population of a country that is the richest in the world remain in poverty, and average hard working people are forced to slave until the day they die, it is clear that many people are not experiencing a "life they can enjoy". This is only a fantasy.
Capitalism is not bad, and I do believe in trickle down. What you've described is crony capitalism which, unfortunately our career politicians have allowed to happen. This is why we need term limits, put an end to lobbying, and start enforcing these anti trust and monopoly laws. And it's insane that an corporation has the rights of a citizen. This is what happens when the politicians and lawyers are allowed to become too powerful.
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Old 08-12-2022, 06:40 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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There's no incentive to work when government will pay you to do nothing. Democrats don't understand pavlonian conditioning. Many of them feel entitled to lifetime UBI because work is hard. Visit reddit or other far left forums where the true socialists reside. They are all about handouts.
Exactly. This is the same reason almost all communes fail. Once people realize they will continue to be supported and their needs will be met even if they don't contribute, many won't contribute because it's too much work.
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Old 08-12-2022, 06:45 AM
 
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Remember when it took only one paycheck to keep a household going? That's long gone because wages are stagnant while the cost of living never stops.
Not true. My household runs just fine on one paycheck. All bills paid and a few $thousand left over every single month...and I don't even make that much. Now, when my wife and I met 17 years ago, both of us had been living alone and "keeping our households" going for years, in my case for close to 15 of them, so being together didn't make either of us any worse at running a household.

All about choices. Every day, you choose whether you can run a household on a single paycheck or not. My wife and I choose wisely.

Said it before, will say it again - we all put inputs into the same economic machine that works the same for all of us. Your outputs are 100% dictated by your inputs. Don't like the output...look in the mirror to find the source of your woes.
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Old 08-12-2022, 06:45 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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"There is no law against an illegal alien owning a business in the US."
But, there is no way an illegal CAN LEGALLY open a business.

The very 1st thing one has to have is a LEGAL Social Security card and number!
Nope. All one needs is an ITIN, which is a different thing and doesn't convey the same benefits as a SSN. Illegal aliens can get an ITIN.
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Old 08-12-2022, 06:49 AM
 
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The picture you are painting is an absurdity.

The most effective solution has always been a hybrid between capitalism and socialism. Capitalism as you say, is a fantastic tool when used in the right way. But it only serves the greater good and lifts all boats as Reagan imagined when it is properly regulated.

Why did we decide to stop implementing our anti-trust and anti-monopoly laws and allow giant corporations to consolidate and grow with no restraint? Why did we allow corporations to gain the rights of citizens?

It's very simple - follow the $$$. Corporations now have a nearly unrestrained flow of money into our legislatures. And money corrupts absolutely.

When 10% of the population of a country that is the richest in the world remain in poverty, and average hard working people are forced to slave until the day they die, it is clear that many people are not experiencing a "life they can enjoy". This is only a fantasy.
Very seldom is anti-trust talked about, and should be.
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Old 08-12-2022, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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There's no incentive to work when government will pay you to do nothing. Democrats don't understand pavlonian conditioning. Many of them feel entitled to lifetime UBI because work is hard. Visit reddit or other far left forums where the true socialists reside. They are all about handouts.
I have to agree. And considering the overweight and obesity epidemic in America, it's very clear we are already lazy without anymore additional "free crap" handouts to be given just for existing.

If we're this fat over a traditional 40 hour 5 day work week, imagine how fat we would be if we get even more crap to do less work.
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Old 08-12-2022, 07:15 AM
 
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There's no incentive to work when government will pay you to do nothing. Democrats don't understand pavlonian conditioning. Many of them feel entitled to lifetime UBI because work is hard. Visit reddit or other far left forums where the true socialists reside. They are all about handouts.
There is one, but you have to be decently self-actualized to have it. That incentive is not being on the government's leash.

It's like living with your mom and dad. Cheaper, but you are on their leash to some degree, under the "under our roof..." paradigm. Some people want to stay with mom and dad until they are in their 40s, and some are like who turned 18 and left a cartoon hole in the front door we left so fast.

People who self-actualize don't generally like trading comfort for being collared/leashed. People not so into evolving as people...yeah, as long as the government keeps putting food/water in the bowls and provides a crate to sleep in...they are down with that collar and leash. An occasional treat, maybe a scrap off the master's table. It's a good life for an obedient dog.
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