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The EC is here forever and there isn't a damn thing any amount of anti-American people will be able to do to change that. Any attempt will fail.
The EC was devised in the 18th century as a safeguard against some unqualified crackpot being elected president. At that time there were no political parties, no primary elections, no party caucuses, and no actual vetting of presidential candidates as we have now as performed by the political parties. In 2016 the EC process backfired, and the electors put such a crackpot into the White house in absolute defiance of the national popular vote. That is the bottom line and the last straw in this controversy. The political parties now perform the duty originally assigned to the EC. In fact, the parties select and authorize a slate of state electors. Even so, there are occasional faithless electors who cast EC votes contrary to their commitment to their party's candidate. The EC is an anachronism and a pointless anti-democratic exercise and not used in any other election contest. The other arguments regarding the sanctity of the EC are related to slavery, something that was abolished over 150 years ago. I don't expect the EC to be abolished by constitutional amendment in the near future, but it is a poison pill that will threaten future elections. We have had two examples of the EC overturning the popular vote in recent years and if there are more instances in coming elections, I suspect that the EC will be cast aside at some point.
The Electoral Count Act of 1887 has not been revised or amended since its passage and it is the source of much of the controversy and confusion related to the chaos of January 6, 2021.
Yes.
At the same time, however, the majority of people wanted abortions to be legal and available. Just as the link mentions.
It is a quandary, for sure. But only if abortion is an all-or-nothing proposition.
A total, no-exemption abortion ban is as poisonous as undiluted fetanil to the GOP.
In my life, I've known 3 women who told me they got abortions.
One got an abortion before they were still illegal 50 years ago. She became a lifelong advocate afterwards, a real militant feminist.
One was raped in a public park, just after she married her husband. Since neither wanted a pregnancy, she was very grateful she could get an abortion very early, and she never told her husband she was raped.
He never knew she was pregnant, so they both totally welcomed their first child when the baby came as planned. Both never opposed nor supported the abortion issue.
The third was a strongly evangelical couple who opposed abortion very strongly.
But when the wife had an ectropic pregnancy, where the fetus begins to develop in the Fallopian tubes, not the uterus, they didn't know the pregnancy was bad.
So the woman, who was resistant to going to doctors anyway, thought it was normal.
When the pain began, she knew this baby wasn't like her first, but thought it was just going to be more difficult than the other pregnancy. The pain being quite suddenly, when they were out hiking in a national park, miles away from the closest hospital.
She never knew the ectopic pregnancy could have killed her until her husband took her to an emergency room.
By then, the tube was very close to rupturing, and her entire pelvic region was infected.
The doctors saved her life, but at the cost of her fertility.
And though she's still alive, the widespread infection the ectopic pregnancy brought has left her chronically ill in her intestinal tract ever since.
Those ectopic pregnancies are rare, but there are about 200,000 of them a year. One can last for several months, and the women who are most susceptible to them are ages 18-35.
My own thoughts on the issue have always been that men should allow abortion decisions left up to the women in their lives. Let women take the lead on the issue.
The purpose of the EC is to prevent smaller and less populated rural areas from becoming irrelevant politically.
That’s NOT the purpose of the EC. As I wrote earlier, when a candidate wins the popular vote in a state, why aren’t that state’s electoral votes simply delivered to Congress? That could be done automatically, and still maintain the current distribution of EC votes. Instead, as you know, the people don’t actually elect the President; they elect Electors. Why do we need these people at all?
The way that electoral votes are distributed was a compromise between the population-dependent mechanism of the House and the every-state-equal approach of the Senate. But that could have been accomplished without an Electoral College.
As per your own link, the majority of Americans want abortion to be legal. Yet, thanks to your intrusive big government red communist party, the procedure is completely banned in 11 states, where millions of people of all political persuasions live, including 30 million people in Texas. At least 46% of whom are Democratic voters, who want legal abortion access in their state. 14+ million Texans shouldn't have to just up and leave. The other half should let everyone make their own private healthcare and reproductive decisions.
Stop ignoring the obvious issue.
The majority if Americas want abortion legal WITH RESTRICTIONS!
Do you know what restrictions mean?
It means GOVERNMENT RULES on when.
It does NOT mean unrestricted all the way up to birth.
If you think the majority of Americans want totally unregulated, unrestricted abortions up until birth...how come no one has done the work to get a constitutional amendment passed?
You know that is your answer don't you?
Simply do the work to get it put into the constitution. Why aren't you doing that?
Instead, as you know, the people don’t actually elect the President; they elect Electors. Why do we need these people at all?
Especially since their whole point in the first place was to be a filter of sanity to prevent a lunatic used car salesman type populist from being able to fool the masses and become president, and yet they did exactly the opposite of that in 2016.
Yeah, we need to get rid of the actual formality of the electors. Make it automatic. We can keep the points system in place to determine the winner, and just reform that.
The points should be proportional to the vote count, so that states can split their awarded points up.
Every 100,000 of population would be a point. So, as of the 2021 census, Vermont would have 6, Alaska would have 7, and California would have 392 and Texas would have 295, etc. You'd try to pick up as many as you can in every state across the country, and the candidate with the most points wins.
That would keep the basic system of it, but virtually prevent a mismatch vs the popular vote from ever happening. And every state across the union would be "in play" and politically important, candidates would campaign everywhere, and everyone would be encouraged to vote, since their vote would really matter.
The majority of people in deep red Kansas want abortion to be legal. So, therefore, the majority of Americans definitely do.
Leave people alone. If the Republicans were the party of doing that, then, maybe they'd have the majority and power you seek. Just leave everyone alone to make their own choices, whether you agree with them or not. It's a free country, right? Quit trying to marry government to traditional values.
When/if the right ever embraces that, they'll have some more success. Because that's also where the far left tends to go wrong, when they want to push super woke stuff on everyone. But to many of us near the center, you're worse about pushing your own culture war on people.
Neither party leaves people alone, the government keeps getting ever more powerful, but abortion does kill a baby and until you acknowledge this, there is nothing to talk about.
The majority if Americas want abortion legal WITH RESTRICTIONS!
Then, let's do that. If a state like Alabama wants to ban it at 15 weeks, fine. They can have those type of debates.
As it is though, all abortion is banned there, at any stage, without any exceptions for rape or incest.
You wanted to start a thread to talk about "middle ground", well, there you go. Leave the women and their bodies and their private lives alone. They would really appreciate it.
Then, let's do that. If a state like Alabama wants to ban it at 15 weeks, fine. They can have those type of debates.
As it is though, all abortion is banned there, at any stage, without any exceptions for rape or incest.
You wanted to start a thread to talk about "middle ground", well, there you go. Leave the women and their bodies and their private lives alone. They would really appreciate it.
Roe was at least trying to do that.
You can always go to a neighboring state to kill your unborn kid.
There is even a burgeoning underground railroad to assist poor women to do this wihout having to pay a penny for either the murder procedure or transportation/hotels.
Nobody is dragging women into hospital rooms to force them to have to deliver their babies. Women are being left alone to privately kill their unborn kids and rip them unceremoniously from their bodies.
It should be accessible in or near your own community. There are a ton of reasons why you shouldn't have to travel to another state, which not everyone always has the means or ability to do.
Anyway, you would think that the other side having an underground railroad would give some people some pause, like hey, maybe we're on the wrong side of history, here. Jesus.
The last time we split into free states and slave states, a destructive war between those states broke out. We should avoid that.
It should be accessible in or near your own community. There are a ton of reasons why you shouldn't have to travel to another state, which not everyone always has the means or ability to do.
Anyway, you would think that the other side having an underground railroad would give some people some pause, like hey, maybe we're on the wrong side of history, here. Jesus.
The last time we split into free states and slave states, a destructive war between those states broke out. We should avoid that.
It should be accessible in accordance with the laws of your state, as determined by the voters and their representative. Representative that do not comply with the will of the people should be voted out of office and replaced by representatives who do.
You would think that peolpe who can so clearly see the evil of slavery, cannot see the evil of murdering unborn babies. It baffles me to no end, when I can clearly see the evil in both.
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