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Everyone could get their way 100% of the time, when it comes to abortion. That's called F'ing pro-choice... Everyone chooses for themselves...
But no... oh no, you want your big communist hands-on government, to force all women to carry pregnancies to term against their will. Just because someone lives in the same state as you. They voted for the Democrat, did the best they could, but a bit over 50% of the state voted Republican, and so, abortion got banned across the state for everyone. In the name of "state's rights" (which we all know what all else has been justified historically by that same name.) As if states had rights. People have rights.
Face it, you love the tyranny of the majority. Apparently you want unchecked democracy to run roughshod over individual rights, just because it's at a state level and not a national level. Like that matters at all. Like that mattered at all to this woman: https://www.yahoo.com/video/tennesse...221900813.html
This thread is gross. I'm glad most of the right wing conservatives are older generations and will be replaced by newer, better ones. Maybe the young people will want a society that features less avoidable suffering.
That would not be me getting my way. I want to save innocent life, not kill it.
That would not be the innocent unborn human getting their way. No one ask the unborn human if it wanted to live or die.
Most other nations in the world have MUCH MORE RESTRICTIVE abortion policy than TODAY'S nutty Democrat party want.
BTW - There won't be any young voters if your side keeps murdering them. Think about that.
OK, Stephan. I concede. I guess there ARE people pushing to abolish the EC. I would be in favor of that myself, but I know it will never happen.
But let’s address why we have an EC at all, apart from the question of how many votes each state gets. When a candidate wins the popular vote in a state, why aren’t that state’s electoral votes simply delivered to Congress? That could be done automatically, and still maintain the current distribution of EC votes. Instead, as you know, the people don’t actually elect the President; they elect Electors. Why do we need these people at all?
The answer is obvious: the Founders didn’t trust the voters. In case the people vote for someone wholly unsuitable for President, the Electors can ignore the voters wishes and cast their EC votes for someone else.
As Alexander Hamilton wrote, electors would be “...men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice.”....Such men would be "most likely to have the information and discernment" to make a good choice and to avoid the election of anyone "not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications." (Federalist Papers 68)
I'm glad you finally admitted what you were posting was nothing but disinformation.
Let me know the next time the Electors don't abide by what the voters of their state decide.
Fair is fair. We vote by popular opinion, and majority, on ALL of our elections except the President.
There's no reason, except a dedicated decision to hand over more of the power to less of the people, to have an EC and not elect our President by popular vote.
Excepting the little Constitution thing.
The purpose of the EC is to prevent smaller and less populated rural areas from becoming irrelevant politically. It works wonderfully. In 2012 both Obama and Romney were in fricking South Dakota in the days before the election. Who gives a crap about South Dakota in a nationwide popular vote? No one.
HC showed how things would go under a popular vote. She ignored most of the country in her campaign, including some traditional Democratic strongholds like Michigan. Never bothered to campaign there. Trump did, and guess who won Michigan and then the election?
There is a brilliant reason for the EC. The ones who dont like the EC are generally the ones who want the urban areas to be able to run roughshod over the rural areas politically.
Right. And with all the information we now have at our fingertips, I wonder how much longer the majority of this country will accept the undeserved power enjoyed by the minority. Even Roberts Rules of Order for a business meeting don't allow that.
One person, one vote. I believe that's the way of the future. Enough heavily weighted votes for the people in middle of the US, compared to the coasts and big cities.
Good luck getting the very people who benefit from the EC to agree to change it. They have to, you know. 38 states would have to agree to make themselves irrelevant in national politics for the EC to be abolished. It isnt going away otherwise.
To be honest, Democrats can fix this issue a lot more easily than changing the Constitution. Simply appeal to the voters in the swing states. Ditch the CA and NY centric extremism, appeal to the blue collar middle of America instead of worrying about all the woke people, and win the swing states. AZ, GA,MI,WI, PA and such. In 2016 Trump won FL,IO,MI,OH,PA, and WI. Obama had won them in 2012 running as a centrist like BC did. Its a lot easier to give up the crazy far left and attract the sensible middle over to you than to alter the Constitution. And in the era of Trump and MTG, wooing the middle away from the far right crazies shouldnt be that hard if you arent running on far left loonie issues yourself .
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No one ask the unborn human if it wanted to live or die.
And no one asked chickens either. Neither could respond to such a question. Because neither are people. Therefore the concept of murder doesn't come into it, with a fetus. Potential of x, does not equal x.
Anyway, there is clearly a split among the American populace, on if they have a problem with abortion or not. So, let the policy across the land reflect that. If you don't want an abortion, don't get one. Keep it legal for those that do.
Just because someone is in one state or another, shouldn't matter. Plenty of both parties live in all 50 states. You just wouldn't know it because the electoral college drills home this idea that the states are one color. A slight Republican majority should not equal everyone in a state having to live under theocratic tyranny. And no, they can't always just up and move.
OK, let's elect presidents by a plurality of votes. Closer to a pure democracy and one person -- one vote.
I'm not surprised that conservatives NEVER want this.
It's not just conservatives that are unfavorable towards pure mob rule — and thank goodness for that!
That being said, our system could use some tweaks, though almost none of them will have purchase with a majority of the deranged citizenry on either side of the aisle.
And no one asked chickens either. Neither could respond to such a question. Because neither are people. Therefore the concept of murder doesn't come into it, with a fetus. Potential of x, does not equal x.
Anyway, there is clearly a split among the American populace, on if they have a problem with abortion or not. So, let the policy across the land reflect that. If you don't want an abortion, don't get one. Keep it legal for those that do.
Just because someone is in one state or another, shouldn't matter. Plenty of both parties live in all 50 states. You just wouldn't know it because the electoral college drills home this idea that the states are one color. A slight Republican majority should not equal everyone in a state having to live under theocratic tyranny. And no, they can't always just up and move.
"The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law that recognizes an embryo or fetus in utero as a legal victim. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb."
And as far as the popular opinion on abortion, it's not as clear cut as you and other Democrats like to pretend.
Ask the question based on different stages of pregnancy and you will get wildly different answers.
In other words, the majority of people want some form of restrictions imposed by government.
It's only the whacky left who want to be able to kill a baby as it is about to enter the birth canal.
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I other words, the majority of people want some form of restrictions imposed by government.
The majority of people in deep red Kansas want abortion to be legal. So, therefore, the majority of Americans definitely do.
Leave people alone. If the Republicans were the party of doing that, then, maybe they'd have the majority and power you seek. Just leave everyone alone to make their own choices, whether you agree with them or not. It's a free country, right? Quit trying to marry government to traditional values.
When/if the right ever embraces that, they'll have some more success. Because that's also where the far left tends to go wrong, when they want to push super woke stuff on everyone. But to many of us near the center, you're worse about pushing your own culture war on people.
The majority of people in deep red Kansas want abortion to be legal. So, therefore, the majority of Americans definitely do.
Leave people alone. If the Republicans were the party of doing that, then, maybe they'd have the majority and power you seek. Just leave everyone alone to make their own choices, whether you agree with them or not. It's a free country, right? Quit trying to marry government to traditional values.
When/if the right ever embraces that, they'll have some more success. Because that's also where the far left tends to go wrong, when they want to push super woke stuff on everyone. But to many of us near the center, you're worse about pushing your own culture war on people.
Not exactly accurate.
Ask them the question at different stages of pregnancy and you will get wildly different answers.
Only the left wants totally unrestricted abortion up until the moment of birth.
Here is the REAL data. The majority are NOT in favor of UNRESTRICTED abortion up until birth.
In other words, the MAJORITY of people want RESTRICTIONS on abortion.
As per your own link, the majority of Americans want abortion to be legal. Yet, thanks to your intrusive big government red communist party, the procedure is completely banned in 11 states, where millions of people of all political persuasions live, including 30 million people in Texas. At least 46% of whom are Democratic voters, who want legal abortion access in their state. 14+ million Texans shouldn't have to just up and leave. The other half should let everyone make their own private healthcare and reproductive decisions.
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