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The history of the reasons for why the electoral system came to be, has nothing to do with whether or not we should keep it, or reform it. I'm aware of the history and the initial reasoning, the arguments for why it's still good the way it is, and the arguments for abolishing or reforming it. I'm in the camp of the latter.
I recommend everyone start by reading this overview article on the topic:
As far as this thread goes, you opened it by saying a falsehood: "America is right of center, not left".
The popular vote results every 4 years show otherwise. Abortion rights being affirmed by the voters in red states shows otherwise. This is not a right-wing country. It's not a left-wing country either, but there is definitely a reasonable center in there somewhere.
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I would like to abolish the EC.
We have the Senate, which already gives EXTREME power to unpopulated states, over states with enormous populations.
Enough of people in unpopulated areas having a much, much greater voice than people who live in populated areas.
There's no reason for people who happen to live in Nebraska, or Wyoming, to have a MUCH greater voting voice than people who live in Los Angeles or NYC.
We have popular votes for all elections except the Presidential election. It's time to change that.
The popular vote doesn't have to match the EC, THAT'S THE POINT OF THE EC.
When are people going to learn about the history of how our country came to be and the reasons why it was designed the way it is?
Actually the popular vote should count. The people speak with their votes, let that be it. One party though, I wont say which one. Wants your vote to NOT count. whatever the vote count is, if they dont like it. they want to disregard that, and put in their guy. Some seem to think they whats best for everybody. That kind of regime is done around the world, and never seems to work out for the people. Remember, Of the people, By the people, For the people. They go against their oath they took entering their office, when they throw that out.
We have the Senate, which already gives EXTREME power to unpopulated states, over states with enormous populations.
Yeah, exactly, and the Democrats still have majority control of it. 51-49 if Warnock wins. The near 40 million people in California get 2 liberal D senators to represent them, 732,000 people in Alaska get 2 R senators to represent them, and one of them (Murkowski) is very moderate, and voted to convict Trump of insurrection.
"America is right of center, not left", my a$$. The center of our politics is the center. And those center politics are not right-wing. If this makes Republicans butt-hurt, then maybe evolve your views and start appealing to more types of people who aren't 75+ year old social conservatives (nice way to say bigots) and dying off.
The EC is a cheater's way to win. Even OP's daddy Trump recognized this. If you can't get the highest vote total in an election, then you don't carry the people's confidence, and shouldn't be our president. The president serves the people. The government serves the people. That is what a representative democracy is.
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Yeah, exactly, and the Democrats still have majority control of it. 51-49 if Warnock wins. The near 40 million people in California get 2 liberal D senators to represent them, 732,000 people in Alaska get 2 R senators to represent them, and one of them (Murkowski) is very moderate, and voted to convict Trump of insurrection.
"America is right of center, not left", my a$$. The center of our politics is the center. And those center politics are not right-wing. If this makes Republicans butt-hurt, then maybe evolve your views and start appealing to more types of people who aren't 75+ year old social conservatives (nice way to say bigots) and dying off.
The EC is a cheater's way to win. Even OP's daddy Trump recognized this. If you can't get the highest vote total in an election, then you don't carry the people's confidence, and shouldn't be our president. The president serves the people. The government serves the people. That is what a representative democracy is.
Right. And with all the information we now have at our fingertips, I wonder how much longer the majority of this country will accept the undeserved power enjoyed by the minority. Even Roberts Rules of Order for a business meeting don't allow that.
One person, one vote. I believe that's the way of the future. Enough heavily weighted votes for the people in middle of the US, compared to the coasts and big cities.
I haven’t seen “banish the Electoral College” in either party’s platform. No one is pushing to eliminate the EC. No one is pushing a direct vote. There are some who would like to take the selection of electors completely out of the hands of voters and leave it up to the Governor or state legislature. That would truly be anti-democratic and I oppose it.
Well lookie here. After you posted no one is pushing to eliminate the EC, someone comes along stating they want to eliminate the EC.
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I would like to abolish the EC.
We have the Senate, which already gives EXTREME power to unpopulated states, over states with enormous populations.
Enough of people in unpopulated areas having a much, much greater voice than people who live in populated areas.
There's no reason for people who happen to live in Nebraska, or Wyoming, to have a MUCH greater voting voice than people who live in Los Angeles or NYC.
We have popular votes for all elections except the Presidential election. It's time to change that.
We have the Senate, which already gives EXTREME power to unpopulated states, over states with enormous populations.
Enough of people in unpopulated areas having a much, much greater voice than people who live in populated areas.
There's no reason for people who happen to live in Nebraska, or Wyoming, to have a MUCH greater voting voice than people who live in Los Angeles or NYC.
We have popular votes for all elections except the Presidential election. It's time to change that.
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Well lookie here. After you posted no one is pushing to eliminate the EC, someone comes along stating they want to eliminate the EC.
*shrugs*
Fair is fair. We vote by popular opinion, and majority, on ALL of our elections except the President.
There's no reason, except a dedicated decision to hand over more of the power to less of the people, to have an EC and not elect our President by popular vote.
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