Immigration will add $7 trillion to the economy (suspect, companies, school)
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My experience with illegals is that they live in groups together. Sometimes big family, sometimes lots of roommates.
Also my experience is, they don't work for peanuts. It's fun to believe they will work for 10$ a day, but my experience is, they won't. And that $2900?...... That's before taxes. Illegals rarely bother with taxes.
I call them illegals because... well, that way everyone knows what I am talking about.
I think pretty much everyone doesn't think that. They are limited though....limited skills equals limited pay. They aren't all brick layers, concrete workers, or roofers.
Seems to me like the majority of these people will be reliant on the American taxpayer for housing, healthcare, ebt cards, bridge cards, etc. Hard to believe they will be a net positive for the economy.
I think pretty much everyone doesn't think that. They are limited though....limited skills equals limited pay. They aren't all brick layers, concrete workers, or roofers.
Seems to me like the majority of these people will be reliant on the American taxpayer for housing, healthcare, ebt cards, bridge cards, etc. Hard to believe they will be a net positive for the economy.
Go see post #127 and read the link of testimony in DC.
There are some hard numbers in there....
They already are a drain on the US.
They use more in welfare than they pay in taxes...low education/no English = really low paid job
They are just arguing over numbers. Not skill, not age, not education level, not citizenship status.
Just numbers.
The OP claim that illegal immigrants will “contribute” 7 Trillion Dollars to the US economy over the next decade is the absurd assertion that kicked off the argument.
That honest assessments find that the average illegal immigrant receives more in benefits and assistance programs than they pay into the system, suggests that the 7 Trillion figure is an overestimate by around 7+ Trillion.
But as always, we need to understand that Government data tends to support whatever narrative it chooses to promote, rather than representing any factual truth.
The OP claim that illegal immigrants will “contribute” 7 Trillion Dollars to the US economy over the next decade is the absurd assertion that kicked off the argument.
That honest assessments find that the average illegal immigrant receives more in benefits and assistance programs than they pay into the system, suggests that the 7 Trillion figure is an overestimate by around 7+ Trillion.
But as always, we need to understand that Government data tends to support whatever narrative it chooses to promote, rather than representing any factual truth.
Of course it is. Replacing boomers ? Yeah..right. 5th grade education, no English and they are "replacements" ?
Well I guess they are the right replacements when you are on the road to Socialism.
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It seems pretty clear that our elected officials (For the most part) believe the employees crossing the border are worth the price society has to pay. It is debatable although I can see their reasoning. A young healthy workforce is extremely important and they seem to be facilitating that.
No sorry you are incorrect. You referenced a Trump policy of 'remain in Mexico', show me where I was involved in a conversation with that and 'enough workers'. You won't be able.
Illegal Immigration and the U.S. Labor Market
Prepared Testimony of Steven A. Camarota, Director of Research,
Center for Immigration Studies
One of the most important reasons to limit immigration and enforce those limits is to protect the interests of American workers. There is evidence that illegal immigrants adversely impact the wages and employment of some American workers. One of the chief arguments for tolerating illegal immigration is that the low unemployment rate means there are not enough workers. However, this ignores the dramatic long-term decline in labor force participation, particularly among working-age, less-educated, U.S.-born men. Those not in the labor force do not show up as unemployed because they are not actively looking for work. In total, there are some 44 million U.S.-born 16- to 64-year-olds not in the labor force — nearly 10 million more than in 2000. Using large-scale illegal immigration to fill jobs may please employers, but doing so has allowed policy-makers to largely ignore the extremely troubling decline in participation. Research shows the fall-off in participation contributes to profound social problems, from crime and welfare dependency to suicide and drug overdoses.
The notion that illegal immigrants only do jobs American’s don’t want is false. Even in the two dozen occupations where illegal immigrants are 15 percent or more of all the workers, 5.7 million U.S.-born Americans are employed.
Trump Slowdown May Have Helped Workers. A report by Karen Zeigler published earlier this year found that the number of new immigrants (legal and illegal) averaged 1.38 million from 2017 to 2019, compared to 1.62 million in 2015 and 1.75 million in 2016. A significant part of this falloff seems to have been a reduction in illegal immigration. We further found that this slowdown coincided with a 3.2 percent increase (inflation adjusted) in median weekly wages for U.S.-born workers without a bachelor’s, in contrast to slight declines in the prior four years. Labor force participation also increased during the slowdown much more than it did in the years before the Trump administration.24 A new study in Economic Review finds something similar. It shows that the downturn in immigration during Trump’s presidency coincided with an increase in job offers in areas where immigrants had traditionally been settling relative to lower immigration areas.
Further, advertised wages grew substantially more in areas that had become more dependent on immigration than lower immigration areas. This lends support to the idea that the slowdown during the Trump administration helped U.S.-born workers. 25 The period 2017 to 2019 represented a real-world test of whether restricting immigration during a good economy would improve things for American workers. There is evidence that the U.S.-born benefited from a reduction in immigration, including less illegal immigration.
Has Immigration Caused the Decline in Work?
The extent to which immigration reduces the wages of some U.S.-born workers, particularly those with relatively few years of schooling, undermines the incentive to work. The fall-off in immigration in the first three years of the Trump administration certainly coincided with an increase in labor force participation among workers without a bachelor’s degree. ...
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There is no conversation that where anything has been 'proved'. There isn't enough American workers to make up for the ....unless you can shake loose a lot of 70+ year olds out of retirement...and even then there won't be enough.
Sure there is, more than 200 million and growing, though growing slowly.
What we don't have is enough taxpayer money to continually support the illegals, on top of all of the other [pet] projects that Biden* is throwing money at.
Of course it is. Replacing boomers ? Yeah..right. 5th grade education, no English and they are "replacements" ?
Well I guess they are the right replacements when you are on the road to Socialism.
Well that’s the reality of it in a nutshell. But it’s far beyond “socialism” that is the true desired destination. The goal is to return to a modern version of feudalism, which further explains the deliberate destruction of the middle class, and the attack on the modern day family structure.
And for those who are striving to recreate an old world feudalistic society, a populace comprised of poorly educated, more easily manipulated, and more subservient people represents the ideal makeup of an underclass that is easier to control, and most willing to serve their elite class of owners.
And it’s not like they haven’t told us what they are up to. I don’t think Klaus Schwab minced his words when he said “you will own nothing, and you will be happy”. What else could he have been referring to, other than “they will own everything, and we will own nothing”?
Well that’s the reality of it in a nutshell. But it’s far beyond “socialism” that is the true desired destination. The goal is to return to a modern version of feudalism, which further explains the deliberate destruction of the middle class, and the attack on the modern day family structure.
And for those who are striving to recreate an old world feudalistic society, a populace comprised of poorly educated, more easily manipulated, and more subservient people represents the ideal makeup of an underclass that is easier to control, and most willing to serve their elite class of owners.
And it’s not like they haven’t told us what they are up to. I don’t think Klaus Schwab minced his words when he said “you will own nothing, and you will be happy”. What else could he have been referring to, other than “they will own everything, and we will own nothing”?
A dependent people are obedient and predictable.
You didn't see any of those migrants trying to "right" their corrupt governments..did you ?
Nope...no money left so they are all now here...with their hands out.
The HuffPo article is misleading. The CBO study stated that "higher than average net migration" from 2022 to 2026 will increase GDP growth on average by .2 percent annually percent from 2024-2032. There is nothing in that study that suggests that immigration, nevermind illegal immigration, will increase GDP by $7 T.
I didn't have time to pick apart the CBO study, but that part was glaringly obvious.
The HuffPo article is misleading. The CBO study stated that "higher than average net migration" from 2022 to 2026 will increase GDP growth on average by .2 percent annually percent from 2024-2032. There is nothing in that study that suggests that immigration, nevermind illegal immigration, will increase GDP by $7 T.
I didn't have time to pick apart the CBO study, but that part was glaringly obvious.
This is from the Director of the CBO, with this LINK on their website.
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In our projections, the deficit is also smaller than it was last year because economic output is greater, partly as a result of more people working. The labor force in 2033 is larger by 5.2 million people, mostly because of higher net immigration. As a result of those changes in the labor force, we estimate that, from 2023 to 2034, GDP will be greater by about $7 trillion and revenues will be greater by about $1 trillion than they would have been otherwise.
The HuffPo article is misleading. The CBO study stated that "higher than average net migration" from 2022 to 2026 will increase GDP growth on average by .2 percent annually percent from 2024-2032. There is nothing in that study that suggests that immigration, nevermind illegal immigration, will increase GDP by $7 T.
I didn't have time to pick apart the CBO study, but that part was glaringly obvious.
In a Congressional meeting (post #127 has link) it was pointed out that what they generate goes directly to them (cash in hand) so they really aren't "contributing" to the system.
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