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In a Congressional meeting (post #127 has link) it was pointed out that what they generate goes directly to them (cash in hand) so they really aren't "contributing" to the system.
There is another less talked about fact that a significant percentage of income (60+%) that these immigrants earn that is wire transferred back their home country, compared to the typical working American that spends 100% of their income here in the United States general economy. So their presence here doesn’t actually do much for the local economy when compared directly to the contributions of the citizenry.
You posted a random sentence in an unrelated conversation and call that evidence. Where is the discussion of Trump's stay in Mexico like you said I commented on? It is not a surprise some people will believe anything they read.
Tired of being proven wrong yet?
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It’s absolute nonsense, which explains why you agree. The reality is, legal immigration has been deliberately restricted, becsuse those who have been in control of it do not want highly educated, self sufficient, intelligent thinking people as replacements for the self sufficient intelligent thinking people. That defeats the purpose of the “replacement program” which is to create a society of abject serfs, in a reinvented feudalism model.....
......So, legitimate immigration, particularly from complementary European societies, and of persons who are desirable and would benefit the country has been almost eliminated, because this is not the objective. The objective is a “take down”.
Mostly nonsense.
why would millions of Europeans want to come here when they have it pretty good in their own countries? It is quite possible we aren't the great attraction you think we are for people already living in relative wealth.
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Originally Posted by GuyNTexas
Statistics do lie, as do statisticians. That old saying is true … there are lies, damned lies, and then there are statistics.
And it most certainly is a “leftwing” operation facilitating the wholesale invasion of the country with massive numbers of unskilled, uneducated, adult dependents, totally reliant on government provided basic subsistence.
The truth is, every word you type is pure garbage, having no connection to anything remotely true.
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You should reread your own postings if you are looking for pure garbage. Reality is I'm probably posting closer to the truth than your angry ranting and raving. Despite the popularity of the opinion here among a few dozen retirees, it doesn't describe what is really going on. We have and are using roughly 30-50 million illegals, (And their anchor babies) for decades. We didn't have the workforce to remain competitive globally.
If you want to pretend the boomers aren't between 60-78 years old and dying out, that is a stat you can try to dispute, but it defies reality. Between the smaller generation X AND the overall growth of the economy there hasn't been enough home-grown bodies to replace them.
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Originally Posted by Oldglory
How are these illegals going to replace the baby boomers anyway? Since when are most baby boomers the unskilled and uneducated that can't even speak English? Most baby boomers were burger flippers, leaf blowers, etc.? Someone is grasping at straws in here.
Working in fast food is work, cleaning hotel rooms is work, caregiving for the elderly is work. Some people want to denigrate these types of jobs, but those same people haven't had what it takes to do those jobs themselves.
why would millions of Europeans want to come here when they have it pretty good in their own countries? It is quite possible we aren't the great attraction you think we are for people already living in relative wealth..
Maybe because their illegals are bombing homes and businesses ?
They have to deal with ME illegals.
Illegal Immigration and the U.S. Labor Market
Prepared Testimony of Steven A. Camarota, Director of Research,
Center for Immigration Studies
One of the most important reasons to limit immigration and enforce those limits is to protect the interests of American workers. There is evidence that illegal immigrants adversely impact the wages and employment of some American workers. One of the chief arguments for tolerating illegal immigration is that the low unemployment rate means there are not enough workers. However, this ignores the dramatic long-term decline in labor force participation, particularly among working-age, less-educated, U.S.-born men. Those not in the labor force do not show up as unemployed because they are not actively looking for work. In total, there are some 44 million U.S.-born 16- to 64-year-olds not in the labor force — nearly 10 million more than in 2000. Using large-scale illegal immigration to fill jobs may please employers, but doing so has allowed policy-makers to largely ignore the extremely troubling decline in participation. Research shows the fall-off in participation contributes to profound social problems, from crime and welfare dependency to suicide and drug overdoses.
The notion that illegal immigrants only do jobs American’s don’t want is false. Even in the two dozen occupations where illegal immigrants are 15 percent or more of all the workers, 5.7 million U.S.-born Americans are employed.
Trump Slowdown May Have Helped Workers. A report by Karen Zeigler published earlier this year found that the number of new immigrants (legal and illegal) averaged 1.38 million from 2017 to 2019, compared to 1.62 million in 2015 and 1.75 million in 2016. A significant part of this falloff seems to have been a reduction in illegal immigration. We further found that this slowdown coincided with a 3.2 percent increase (inflation adjusted) in median weekly wages for U.S.-born workers without a bachelor’s, in contrast to slight declines in the prior four years. Labor force participation also increased during the slowdown much more than it did in the years before the Trump administration.24 A new study in Economic Review finds something similar. It shows that the downturn in immigration during Trump’s presidency coincided with an increase in job offers in areas where immigrants had traditionally been settling relative to lower immigration areas.
Further, advertised wages grew substantially more in areas that had become more dependent on immigration than lower immigration areas. This lends support to the idea that the slowdown during the Trump administration helped U.S.-born workers. 25 The period 2017 to 2019 represented a real-world test of whether restricting immigration during a good economy would improve things for American workers. There is evidence that the U.S.-born benefited from a reduction in immigration, including less illegal immigration.
Has Immigration Caused the Decline in Work?
The extent to which immigration reduces the wages of some U.S.-born workers, particularly those with relatively few years of schooling, undermines the incentive to work. The fall-off in immigration in the first three years of the Trump administration certainly coincided with an increase in labor force participation among workers without a bachelor’s degree. ...
Sure there is, more than 200 million and growing, though growing slowly.
What we don't have is enough taxpayer money to continually support the illegals, on top of all of the other [pet] projects that Biden* is throwing money at.
There is another less talked about fact that a significant percentage of income (60+%) that these immigrants earn that is wire transferred back their home country, compared to the typical working American that spends 100% of their income here in the United States general economy. So their presence here doesn’t actually do much for the local economy when compared directly to the contributions of the citizenry.
Probably not talked about because it is misinformation. Misinformation is often posted on websites such as this one to gin up extra hate for certain groups like illegals. If people had to rely on real numbers they wouldn't have as much of a case.
In addition, when illegals or legals send money out of country, some of it winds up being spent on American products/companies abroad, like Pepsi, Walmart, GE, etc etc.
Trying to control what people do with their money seems like too much governmental interference to me. If people want to send money to family members in need, the government doesn't need to create obstacles to that.
15% is the estimate of what immigrants send back to home countries, nowhere near the 60% you stated.
Illegal Immigration and the U.S. Labor Market
Prepared Testimony of Steven A. Camarota, Director of Research,
Center for Immigration Studies
One of the most important reasons to limit immigration and enforce those limits is to protect the interests of American workers. There is evidence that illegal immigrants adversely impact the wages and employment of some American workers. One of the chief arguments for tolerating illegal immigration is that the low unemployment rate means there are not enough workers. However, this ignores the dramatic long-term decline in labor force participation, particularly among working-age, less-educated, U.S.-born men. Those not in the labor force do not show up as unemployed because they are not actively looking for work. In total, there are some 44 million U.S.-born 16- to 64-year-olds not in the labor force — nearly 10 million more than in 2000. Using large-scale illegal immigration to fill jobs may please employers, but doing so has allowed policy-makers to largely ignore the extremely troubling decline in participation. Research shows the fall-off in participation contributes to profound social problems, from crime and welfare dependency to suicide and drug overdoses.
The notion that illegal immigrants only do jobs American’s don’t want is false. Even in the two dozen occupations where illegal immigrants are 15 percent or more of all the workers, 5.7 million U.S.-born Americans are employed.
Trump Slowdown May Have Helped Workers. A report by Karen Zeigler published earlier this year found that the number of new immigrants (legal and illegal) averaged 1.38 million from 2017 to 2019, compared to 1.62 million in 2015 and 1.75 million in 2016. A significant part of this falloff seems to have been a reduction in illegal immigration. We further found that this slowdown coincided with a 3.2 percent increase (inflation adjusted) in median weekly wages for U.S.-born workers without a bachelor’s, in contrast to slight declines in the prior four years. Labor force participation also increased during the slowdown much more than it did in the years before the Trump administration.24 A new study in Economic Review finds something similar. It shows that the downturn in immigration during Trump’s presidency coincided with an increase in job offers in areas where immigrants had traditionally been settling relative to lower immigration areas.
Further, advertised wages grew substantially more in areas that had become more dependent on immigration than lower immigration areas. This lends support to the idea that the slowdown during the Trump administration helped U.S.-born workers. 25 The period 2017 to 2019 represented a real-world test of whether restricting immigration during a good economy would improve things for American workers. There is evidence that the U.S.-born benefited from a reduction in immigration, including less illegal immigration.
Has Immigration Caused the Decline in Work?
The extent to which immigration reduces the wages of some U.S.-born workers, particularly those with relatively few years of schooling, undermines the incentive to work. The fall-off in immigration in the first three years of the Trump administration certainly coincided with an increase in labor force participation among workers without a bachelor’s degree. ...
Sure there is, more than 200 million and growing, though growing slowly.
What we don't have is enough taxpayer money to continually support the illegals, on top of all of the other [pet] projects that Biden* is throwing money at.
don't you ever get tired of being proven wrong?
Also who is denigrating Americans for working low waged jobs? A certain segment of our Americans do those jobs and no one is shaming them for it. What I said is millions of illegals are not replacing the baby boomers because most of those boomers were working skilled jobs not low waged ones. Some things fly right over some people's heads in here or they are purposely trying to spin the words of others. I suspect the latter when they are pro-illegals as they don't have a honest bone in their bodies.
Never before have we had this problem of this magnitude though and it's not just Mexicans coming here illegally today but from all over the world in massive numbers. This will alter our demographics and culture forever and cause much hardship on Americans as it already has. Overall it will be a net negative on our society in so many ways. Our country is being fractured by this as we speak. You have no proof that this will be anything like the past either.
There’s almost no Mexicans coming across the border anymore. I would trade the people we’re getting now for Mexicans in a heartbeat.
There’s almost no Mexicans coming across the border anymore. I would trade the people we’re getting now for Mexicans in a heartbeat.
You couldn't be more wrong. There may have been an increase in non-Mexicans crossing our border illegally recently but Mexicans are still coming here in large numbers. The charts below may be two years old but it proves it out and is still true.
But if they are working for cash in hand, they aren't contributing back into the system.
And if they are also on welfare they are taking from the system.
Congressional hearing....determined each immigrant would be a $68K net DRAIN to the government.
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Someone is grasping at straws in here.