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Old 11-06-2008, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Floribama
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You HAVE to be kidding.
Republicans, the party organization at least, HATED Clinton for signing that act. He totally stole their thunder, come election time because they no longer can complain about welfare queens.
No, I'm not kidding. Most republicans (including myself) were glad Bill Clinton worked with the republican congress on welfare reform.
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Old 11-06-2008, 08:39 PM
 
Location: So. of Rosarito, Baja, Mexico
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I do believe after a few months the Blacks that voted for Obama will be expecting some payback/relief or some money saving that will not materialize at least not noticable in the pocketbook. Discounts...checks in the mail...freebee updates...installation of new programs for the middle class and poor may sound real nice. Question is "wheres the money going to come from?" "who is going to pay the tab"?. But wait, I forgot, all washington has to do is add more money printing presses...and the debt will just get BIGGER. Could be wrong...as I still have some rubber/eraser on my pencil which I use a lot due to mistakes. Steve
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Old 11-07-2008, 12:11 AM
 
Location: The Coldest Place
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Yeah because he can just wave his hand and fix all the problems.

It's funny that people who tell us Obama is our Prophet and Messiah, and ridicule us by insinuating that we think he is going to fix everything magically, are now suddenly expecting just that out of him.

Could you be more transparent?
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Old 11-07-2008, 03:52 AM
 
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Nowdays Black America needs to focus on increasing Black business ownership in their own communities which will be better for Black economics long term.
Sounds like a job for the Community Reinvestment Act. This is exactly the sort of effect it was having before Bushie walked away from the enforcement of it. Increasing rates of home ownership...rising property values...flows of new investment into community infrastructure...
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Old 11-07-2008, 04:05 AM
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Location: NC/SC Border Patrol
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What If Barack wins... and doesn't improve black America one bit? The methods that Barack Obama is going to use to reduce African-American poverty if he is elected president -- welfare checks and government sponsored social programs - are known failures.

If Obama doesn't improve the condition of black America, will he be considered a traitor? A fake? A false prophet? Or will his most important constituency hypocritically say that everything he did was right, and that he is the saviour of the world, even if conditions within the black community continued to nose dive in his presidential term?
Obama has been elected as President of the United States. Are we renaming our country? That is too much of a change. America does not have a prefix of anything. It is just America. Well the prefix is United States and it needs no other prefix.

People who want to improve their lives in America are free to work to their heart's content to reduce their own proverty. Richness does not come by simply being a citizen of this country and getting the right president, or it shouldn't.

If anything good comes out of his presidency, I hope the first benefit is the realization that anyone can achieve anything they want to if they work for it. No more excuses.

If he starts to show that his only reason for being president is to improve the life of black people only, the Democratic Party will be finished before he gets started good. The United States of America has a lot of different races. The first priority of the government should be to keep us safe so we can do for ourselves. Wealth is to be earned, not redistributed.

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Old 11-07-2008, 04:19 AM
 
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He's got plenty who do think he's the second coming...
Yeah, and so many of them on the right wing. What's up with that? You know, it's almost as if the neocon star chamber has decided that the way to go after Obama is to set the bar of public expectation for him so high that even A+ performance could be seen as total failure.

Meanwhile, it's the left (as usual) that's talking in actually meaningful, responsible, and practical terms. It took Bushie and his assorted cronies eight years to mess things up this badly, and it may take longer than that to fix things up again. The right-wing and its rapacious politics of selfishness and greed have put the country into the ER. By this election, we have at least clamped off all that arterial bleeding before the patient coded. The process of recovery will still be a long and sometimes painful one, however. Thanks, Republicans.

What Obama actually brings to the table in the short term is essentially the fact that at long last we are headed in the right direction once again. That alone is Change, and indeed it is a cause for Hope.
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Old 11-07-2008, 04:28 AM
 
Location: The Coldest Place
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Yeah, and so many of them on the right wing. What's up with that? You know, it's almost as if the neocon star chamber has decided that the way to go after Obama is to set the bar of public expectation for him so high that even A+ performance could be seen as total failure.
I agree 100%.

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Old 11-07-2008, 04:41 AM
 
Location: Houston Texas
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.....The liberals will spew hate for Bush and the repubs will gloat and laugh about it
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Old 11-07-2008, 04:41 AM
 
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Do you think for a moment that Reagan would have tolerated Palin, with her crazy religion and lack of knowledge?????? Never.
Good point. Stand Sarah Palin next to Nancy Reagan and what do you see? Well, Nancy Reagan.

But now reduced to being essentially a regional party, the Republicans are beginning to strategize their roadmap for the way back, and so far the Big Plan seems to be to return to the core pillars and principles of Reaganism -- deregulation, tax cuts, and traditional morality. Hello? Isn't that what Bush just did for eight years? Doing more of it is going to fix things? Maybe one of the big problems with knowing that your philosophy is right is that when it's proven to be completely wrong, you've got nothing left to turn to. That could be a problem, as unless the Republicans can come up with some new ideas at some point soon, they're going to be in danger of trading places in the poltical pecking order with the Libertarians...
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Old 11-07-2008, 07:26 AM
 
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Sounds like a job for the Community Reinvestment Act. This is exactly the sort of effect it was having before Bushie walked away from the enforcement of it. Increasing rates of home ownership...rising property values...flows of new investment into community infrastructure...
Ummm...am I misunderstanding? I think the government's desire to increase rates of home ownership was a major factor in this housing debacle.
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