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Old 12-02-2008, 07:45 PM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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Graph of US crime rate




Graph of US executions


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Old 12-02-2008, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Real America
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so murder rates were low from 1945-1970.

Execution rates were low from about 1955-1995.

Other than that, no other facts are known.

OK
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Old 12-02-2008, 08:12 PM
 
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Um, what point are you trying to make, census?
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Old 12-02-2008, 08:14 PM
 
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I am just curious how somebody could draw any conclusions with this. I mean wow. You need more than this.
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Old 12-02-2008, 08:25 PM
 
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Old 12-02-2008, 08:26 PM
 
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correlation != causality.

And once I actually looked at the numbers, I barely saw any correlation to begin with.
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Old 12-03-2008, 12:13 AM
 
Location: Southeast Missouri
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Correlation does not equal causation.

But it's interesting anyway.
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Old 12-03-2008, 01:03 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Graph of US crime rate

Graph of US executions
I generally agree with this theory. I wonder what effect these drastic and extreme moves would have on crime?

1) Anyone who kills another human being and is convicted is immediately executed. This means that once the verdict is read, you are then escorted to the next room, where you are put to death. No delay, extra attention, or fanfare.

2) Street gang members. Each one is a domestic terrorist and the gang represents a conspiracy to commit domestic terrorism. If one gang member kills, once that gang member is convicted, all are subject to the death penalty to be executed immediately after the verdict is read. This means that one gang member from the Nortenos could be sitting and watching the Lakers playing, when police burst into his house to arrest him for immediate execution. Why? He is a member of the Nortenos, the gang whose member was just convicted of killing a person. Once it is confirmed that he is a member, he's gone. These young idiots might think twice about joining any gang if this were the case.

3) Illegal immigrants are to be immediately executed if caught in this country.

4) All those in prison for killing are immediately executed.

5) All those on death row are immediately executed.

6) Other crimes could be included as well: rape, robbery, child molestation, burglary, and kidnapping for instance.
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Old 12-03-2008, 05:19 AM
 
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I generally agree with this theory. I wonder what effect these drastic and extreme moves would have on crime?

1) Anyone who kills another human being and is convicted is immediately executed. This means that once the verdict is read, you are then escorted to the next room, where you are put to death. No delay, extra attention, or fanfare.

2) Street gang members. Each one is a domestic terrorist and the gang represents a conspiracy to commit domestic terrorism. If one gang member kills, once that gang member is convicted, all are subject to the death penalty to be executed immediately after the verdict is read. This means that one gang member from the Nortenos could be sitting and watching the Lakers playing, when police burst into his house to arrest him for immediate execution. Why? He is a member of the Nortenos, the gang whose member was just convicted of killing a person. Once it is confirmed that he is a member, he's gone. These young idiots might think twice about joining any gang if this were the case.

3) Illegal immigrants are to be immediately executed if caught in this country.

4) All those in prison for killing are immediately executed.

5) All those on death row are immediately executed.

6) Other crimes could be included as well: rape, robbery, child molestation, burglary, and kidnapping for instance.
2, 3, 4, and 6 are both unconstitutional and stupid. The rest are pretty stupid, but those especially.
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Old 12-03-2008, 08:07 AM
 
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Here's another mere correlation, and exactly contradictory:

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Gap Between the Murder Rate of Death Penalty States and Non-Death Penalty States Remains Large

States with the death penalty have consistently had higher murder rates than states without the death penalty. If the death penalty was acting as a deterrent to murder, one might expect that the gap between these two groups would lessen over a long period of time as states using the death penalty obtained an advantage in reducing murders. However, the gap has grown larger over the past 18 years. In 2007, states with the death penalty had a 42% higher murder rate than states without the death penalty. In 1990, the gap was only 4%.

A murder rate is obtained by dividing the number of murders in a state by the state's population. It is possible to obtain a single murder rate for "states with the death penalty" by adding the total number of murders in such states by the total population of these states. A murder rate for "states without the death penalty" can be similarly obtained. To see the results of these calculations for each year 1990-2007, click here. In 2007, the murder rate for states with the death penalty was 5.83 and for states without the death penalty it was 4.10, a 42% difference. The national murder rate in 2007 was 5.6.

(Murder rates from FBI Uniform Crime Report, calculations by David Cooper; DPIC, Nov. 25, 2008).
Source: Gap Between the Murder Rate of Death Penalty States and Non-Death Penalty States Remains Large | Death Penalty Information Center
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