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Originally Posted by oz in SC
The .223 is an inherently unstable round,it was purposefully designed to yaw and tumble upon hitting the target.
It was the military's way of getting round being forced to use FMJ.
FMJ rounds aren't particularly good at killing when compared to soft points.
The Soviet version of .223(5.45x39) was similarly designed to yaw so as to cause bigger wounds.
I'm not 100% on that. Most spitzer style FMJ bullets, regardless of calibre, will "tumble" on impact due to the majority of the weight being in the rear 1/4 and because, due to gyroscopic stability, the nose of the bullet tends to remain facing in the direction the barrell was pointed even after bullet drop begins to significantly alter the bullet's direction of flight.
The .223 round is no more or less inherently unstable than any other. It is the specific bullet that the military uses that tends to tumble upon hitting the target (long and heavy for it's bore size), and the high rate of spin imparted by the 1:7 twist common on military arms. Miltary bullets also commonly use a hardened penetrator core for adequate penetration at long ranges. I'm not sure if the current military load (SS-103 IIRC) does.
The same .223 is one of the most common civilian rounds and commonly uses lighter constructed bullets that tend to break up upon hitting the target (typically varmits or paper).
Discussing the military round...it was designed to tumble so as to cause a 'better' wound.
Also it is not a very good penetrating round as shown in link provided.
The Bureau’s research also suggests that common household barriers such as wallboard, plywood, internal and external walls are also better attacked with pistol rounds, or larger caliber battle rifles, if the objective is to "dig out" or neutralize people employing such object as cover or concealment. Although it is usually not advisable to fire at targets you can’t see in urban settings, it is done and some subjects have been stopped in this manner. Conversely, the ability of some pistol rounds to penetrate barriers tested puts innocent bystanders and fellow team members at greater risk in CQB scenarios. If an operator misses the intended target, the .223 will generally have less wounding potential than some pistol rounds after passing through a wall or similar structure.
All beside the point EXCEPT to support the lie that .223 is a poor defense weapon for mere civlians...
If it is indeed based upon the Clinton ban,pistols were banned,as were some shotguns.
The ban was also found to accomplish nothing in regards to stopping crime according to a government study.
Why would you ban something that doesn't accomplish the stated goal of curbing crime?
As to the red herring regarding Mexico,the gangs down there are armed with automatic weapons and hand grenades,where exactly can they be bought easily in the USA?
In the back of some dude's trunk in the ghetto.
Where it will be easy to get them with or without a ban.
This ban will have no effect on criminals, it will only strip the 2nd Amendment rights of law abiding citizens and put them at a disadvantage when attacked by heavily armed criminals.
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Actually, the law worked exactly as planned. It let anti-gun politicians feel good that they "did something". It was never intended to do anything to address crime. It didn't ban actual assault weapons, those are by definition automatic, as opposed to semi-auto firearms and are restricted by the NFA of 1934 and by many states.
All the old ban did was restrict the rights of firearms owners by eliminating specific features on common semi-automatic firearms and outlawed standard capacity mags...which was all it was intended to to. Well, actually, one more thing, to get the public to be more accepting on restrictions of rights and acceptance of government control.
It was never intended to address crime-less than 1% of crimes are committed with "assault weapons".
I wonder how many people realize that actual assault weapons are already banned? To own and operate a fully automatic weapon requires a Federal permit and those are not exactly handed out at gunshows.
Ask Holder why he thinks this ban will work for the Mexican problems when NFA-1934 has not...
All beside the point EXCEPT to support the lie that .223 is a poor defense weapon for mere civlians...
Well, that's your kids and your neighborhood. Do some testing instead of belieiving some NRA publications. Put 6 pieces of half inch plywood a foot a part from each other and fire a .223 round. It will go clean through all of them and keep going. And remember that plywood is harder than sheetrock.
The problem is that with a rifle you are more likely to kill your own kids than the bad guys by bullets travelling though the walls of your house. And you can even hit your neighbors kids for that matter. I am fine with pump-action shot gun and my 45 Sig. Try firing a single rifle bullet on the side of your house, and then walk over the other side of the house, and you'll see it went clean through all walls of the house, and probably ended up somewhere inside your neighbors house.
ANY centerfire rifle round will penetrate walls, soft protective vests, etc., and most hunting rounds (like 30-06) are far more powerful than rounds like 5.56 or 7.62X39. Ordinary walls are not effective at stopping any rifle round. The soft protective vests (so-called "bullet proof" vests) only stop most handgun rounds and shotgun rounds, any centerfire rifle will penetrate those vests. Whether it's a bolt action 30-06 or a weaker 7.62X39.
And not all of us live in cities where it would be such a worry anyways...
Well, that's your kids and your neighborhood. Do some testing instead of belieiving some NRA publications. Put 6 pieces of half inch plywood a foot a part from each other and fire a .223 round. It will go clean through all of them and keep going. And remember that plywood is harder than sheetrock.
What would the FBI know about such things...
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