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View Poll Results: Do you believe in Global Warming or Global Cooling
Global Cooling 17 12.50%
Global Warming 59 43.38%
I dont believe in either 60 44.12%
Voters: 136. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-10-2009, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Charleston, WV
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the National Snow and Ice Data Center has acknowledged that due to a satellite sensor malfunction, it had been underestimating the extent of Arctic sea ice by 193,000 square miles - an area the size of Spain.
Where's global warming? - The Boston Globe
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Old 03-10-2009, 06:25 PM
 
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It depends on whose payroll you are on as to which expert is right.
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Old 03-10-2009, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Charleston, WV
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It's not a matter of believing in cooling or warming. it's a scientific fact that the overall temperature of our atmosphere is rising. It could trigger a general cooling from the action of melting glacial ice into the oceans or it could be a noticeable increase in sun ultraviolet damage and aridity. Only time will tell and one way or other we'll have to deal with it. We should count our blessings that we are not like the people of some of the out lying Pacific islands that are already disappearing under rising oceans.
Not exactly as you may think, according to many scientists.
For instance, Wm Happer, Professor of Physics at Princeton who has spent his career studying interactions of visible and infrared radiation with gases – one of the main physical phenomena behind the greenhouse effect. (He must be a great Prof - his paper is very interesting and full of examples of the past used to compare to modern policy and actions.). He reports:

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We have been in a period of global warming over the past 200 years, but there have been several periods, like the last ten years, when the warming has ceased, and there have even been periods of substantial cooling, as from 1940 to 1970. .......
http://www.marshall.org/pdf/materials/629.pdf
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Over the past ten years there has been no global warming, and in fact a slight cooling. This is not at all what was predicted by the IPCC models. http://www.marshall.org/pdf/materials/629.pdf
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The sea level is indeed rising, just as it has for the past 20,000 years since the end of the last ice age. ..... But to think that limiting CO2 emissions will stop sea level rise is a dangerous illusion. It is also possible that the warming seas around Antarctica will cause more snowfall over the continent and will counteract the sea-level rise. http://www.marshall.org/pdf/materials/629.pdf
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Old 03-10-2009, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Cold Frozen North
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...and a Nobel Prize
It just goes to show you how politicized the Nobel prize has become. As far as I'm concerned, it might as well be toilet paper.
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Not exactly as you may think, according to many scientists.
For instance, Wm Happer, Professor of Physics at Princeton who has spent his career studying interactions of visible and infrared radiation with gases – one of the main physical phenomena behind the greenhouse effect. (He must be a great Prof - his paper is very interesting and full of examples of the past used to compare to modern policy and actions.). He reports:
And this is the truly great thing about science. If a hypothesis or theory doesn't stand up to rigorous scrutiny and peer review, it is discarded. If humans truly have no impact on the climate, we will ultimately throw the entire concept out.
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Old 03-11-2009, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Charleston, WV
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And this is the truly great thing about science. If a hypothesis or theory doesn't stand up to rigorous scrutiny and peer review, it is discarded. If humans truly have no impact on the climate, we will ultimately throw the entire concept out.
The scary thing is that economic policy is being set in place based on the theory of global warming.
That is what is behind the whole Cap and Trade system which is going to have a great impact on business and citizens.
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Old 03-11-2009, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Charleston, WV
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NASA atmospheric scientist rebuking man-made global warming.

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Washington DC, Jan 27th 2009: NASA warming scientist James Hansen, one of former Vice-President Al Gore’s closest allies in the promotion of man-made global warming fears, is being publicly rebuked by his former supervisor at NASA.

Retired senior NASA atmospheric scientist, Dr. John S. Theon, the former supervisor of James Hansen, NASA’s vocal man-made global warming fear soothsayer, has now publicly declared himself a skeptic and declared that Hansen “embarrassed NASA” with his alarming climate claims and said Hansen was “was never muzzled.” Theon joins the rapidly growing ranks of international scientists abandoning the promotion of man-made global warming fears.
........January 15, 2009.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/01/27/james-hansens-former-nasa-supervisor-declares-himself-a-skeptic-says-hansen-embarrassed-nasa-was-never-muzzled/
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Old 03-12-2009, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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The scary thing is that economic policy is being set in place based on the theory of global warming.
That is what is behind the whole Cap and Trade system which is going to have a great impact on business and citizens.
I agree with this entirely. Cap and Trade is double-speak for environmental taxes, and there are so many dubious companies sprouting up to fill the manufactured demand that it's become an impossibility to even attempt to police best business practices and ensure ethical standards are set and met. Regardless of one's knowledge or opinion on climate change, I think we can all acknowledge regulation is going to be a big big problem in the near future.
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Old 03-12-2009, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Cold Frozen North
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The scary thing is that economic policy is being set in place based on the theory of global warming.
That is what is behind the whole Cap and Trade system which is going to have a great impact on business and citizens.
And the impact to the average person will be higher prices. I only wish I was on the receiving side of the taxes instead of the paying side like I will be.
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Old 07-06-2009, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Western Hoosierland
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Personally I believe in global cooling. I have seen more of the affects of global cooling than global warming.

This Summer has been on of the coolest Indiana has seen so far. This further supports my theory of Global Cooling.
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