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Old 03-25-2009, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Bayou City
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So you were a slave? Your dad maybe? Grandfather? Ok, I didn't think so. Like somebody said, find a slave alive today and he most definitely deserves the money!
Flawed assertion. The Bill seeks to address economic retribution for the sustained practice that left generations of blacks severely uncompetitive with other groups. That somehow the drafters of the Fourteenth Amendment didn't find it necessary to include reparations in the package back in 1866 doesn't make the idea of reparations any less justified today. Ideally, the reparations study would focus on the segment of the black populace closest removed from slavery, starting with Gertrude Baines and extending to the thousands of living African-American elders over 75 years of age. It would be up to them to incorporate whatever allocation they're given into their wills and testaments. In the case of those elders who don't have any living descendants (like Ms. Baines), they can elect to have the money distributed to an organization of their liking in the event of their passing. Other aspects of the study would focus in on allocating resources directly to disaffected black communities (schools, community centers, job training programs, businesses) across the country. This way the enormous wealth gap caused by the extensive legacy of deprivation caused by slavery/discrimination can begin to abate in a more realistic manner.
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Old 03-25-2009, 09:12 PM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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The legacy of slavery scarred the psyche of African Americans in so many ways that we are suffering even several generations after emancipation.

(Slightly off topic...)
I firmly believe that Barack Obama, being the son of an African immigrant and a White American woman, was able to operate beyond the psychological bonds(and transcind the generations of negative voices) that are sometimes passed from Black parent to child as descendents of slaves. He never thought that he couldn't become POTUS and that's a beautiful thing.

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As I have stated previously, it isn't a matter of whether or not the descendents of slaves deserve reparations, obviously we do.

The question is whether it would solve or resolve the issues the the Black community suffers (directly and indirectly) as a result of 400 years of slavery. The answer is: probably not.

And the fact that giving each living descendent of African slaves in America (over 40 million Black folk) any amount of money would not resolve any issues or erase any of the generations of pain is the reason that it reparations will NEVER be paid.
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Old 03-25-2009, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Memphis
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Flawed assertion. The Bill seeks to address economic retribution for the sustained practice that left generations of blacks severely uncompetitive with other groups. That somehow the drafters of the Fourteenth Amendment didn't find it necessary to include reparations in the package back in 1866 doesn't make the idea of reparations any less justified today. Ideally, the reparations study would focus on the segment of the black populace closest removed from slavery, starting with Gertrude Baines and extending to the thousands of living African-American elders over 75 years of age. It would be up to them to incorporate whatever allocation they're given into their wills and testaments. In the case of those elders who don't have any living descendants (like Ms. Baines), they can elect to have the money distributed to an organization of their liking in the event of their passing. Other aspects of the study would focus in on allocating resources directly to disaffected black communities (schools, community centers, job training programs, businesses) across the country. This way the enormous wealth gap caused by the extensive legacy of deprivation caused by slavery/discrimination can begin to abate in a more realistic manner.

I am entitled to my opinion and I call it BS. Further more, If this went threw then I hope people are read for the consequences.
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Old 03-25-2009, 10:59 PM
 
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Mr Skyes:

A very compelling argument could be made that Slavery held AAs back fiscally in a way still manifest today, I don't think cash remedies is going to fix that. It's more complex than that. Also, for those whites who did not participate in such shennanigans of slavery, this is unfair to them.
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Old 03-25-2009, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Bayou City
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I am entitled to my opinion and I call it BS. Further more, If this went threw then I hope people are read for the consequences.
Whatever you say cowboy. By all means, don't let me stop you from believing that.
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Old 03-25-2009, 11:56 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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wow, more crap from congress. Can't believe that.
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Old 03-25-2009, 11:59 PM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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The legacy of slavery scarred the psyche of African Americans in so many ways that we are suffering even several generations after emancipation.

(Slightly off topic...)
I firmly believe that Barack Obama, being the son of an African immigrant and a White American woman, was able to operate beyond the psychological bonds(and transcind the generations of negative voices) that are sometimes passed from Black parent to child as descendents of slaves. He never thought that he couldn't become POTUS and that's a beautiful thing.

(Back on topic)
As I have stated previously, it isn't a matter of whether or not the descendents of slaves deserve reparations, obviously we do.

The question is whether it would solve or resolve the issues the the Black community suffers (directly and indirectly) as a result of 400 years of slavery. The answer is: probably not.

And the fact that giving each living descendent of African slaves in America (over 40 million Black folk) any amount of money would not resolve any issues or erase any of the generations of pain is the reason that it reparations will NEVER be paid.
it would probably end the recession though.

I'm sorry if your ancestors were mistreated. But to think that I owe you anything at this point is laughable. Maybe if y'all would look forward instead of back, you would get ahead in this world.
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Old 03-26-2009, 06:26 AM
 
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I can't believe you all are really sitting here arguing about a bill for the creation of a committee to study the feasibility of giving reparations that has never moved very far in the first place. Yawn worthy, if anything ever was. You'd be surprised if only you knew just how many cooky bills have never gone up to a vote.
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Old 03-26-2009, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Memphis
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Whatever you say cowboy. By all means, don't let me stop you from believing that.

Cowboy?
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Old 03-26-2009, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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I can't believe you all are really sitting here arguing about a bill for the creation of a committee to study the feasibility of giving reparations that has never moved very far in the first place. Yawn worthy, if anything ever was. You'd be surprised if only you knew just how many cooky bills have never gone up to a vote.
I'd tend to agree, but how many really goofy bills have in fact become law. Something as patently racist as this just might come to pass.
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