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The same can be said about Republicans taking Conservative voters for granted.. The Two parties have become extremely arrogant and don't seem to answer to the people, only the lobbyists..
I don't disagree, but the current thread is about Democrats losing the liberal pro-gay rights vote, and mostly from them staying at home rather than voting for an alternative candidate.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. I have been saying all along that the Weekend Liberals that put Obama into office will be nowhere to be found at the 2010 mid-terms. If its not black or gay, it gets nary a bit of attention with liberals. 2010 mid-terms will exemplify this and Democrats will pay dearly for it.
Then too, this could be the kind of let-down that would push Democrats into a more independent minded voting sphere.
As the years go by, and the Dems and Repubs burn their bridges, an independent 3rd party begins to look better and better.
The gays and the blacks, among others, will not get what they think they want with this country's worn out old parties. The days are numbered for both the Dems and the Repubs I feel.
I love how people can look at something and think that it means something else. Has anyone here actually read the DOJ opposition brief? This quote is particularly pertinent to the administration's reasoning:
"Applying the strong deference traditionally afforded to the Legislative and Executive Branches in the area of military affairs, the court of appeals properly upheld the statute. The court was properly 'careful not to substitute [its] judgment of what is desirable for that of Congress, or [its] own evaluation of evidence for a reasonable evaluation by the Legislative Branch.'"
Obama understands that military affairs have been and should remain almost entirely under the purview of the Executive and Legislative branches. He rightfully agrees that the courts should not be meddling in military policy.
He still, however, has every intention to push congress to repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell and to allow gay men and women to serve openly in the armed forces. He says so regularly. He just wants to do it the proper way and not undermine his and the congress' authority over the military.
I love how people can look at something and think that it means something else. Has anyone here actually read the DOJ opposition brief? This quote is particularly pertinent to the administration's reasoning:
"Applying the strong deference traditionally afforded to the Legislative and Executive Branches in the area of military affairs, the court of appeals properly upheld the statute. The court was properly 'careful not to substitute [its] judgment of what is desirable for that of Congress, or [its] own evaluation of evidence for a reasonable evaluation by the Legislative Branch.'"
Obama understands that military affairs have been and should remain almost entirely under the purview of the Executive and Legislative branches. He rightfully agrees that the courts should not be meddling in military policy.
He still, however, has every intention to push congress to repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell and to allow gay men and women to serve openly in the armed forces. He says so regularly. He just wants to do it the proper way and not undermine his and the congress' authority over the military.
Most of those that advocate for "openness" in the military have never slept in the same tent with or shared a shower with other military men. All I can say is- "Be careful of what you wish for. And don't forget, you asked for it."
You do realize that most 18-year old military grunts aren't exactly the most educated of our citizens? Get a group of those together and you honestly believe that tolerance will be the topic of the day? Homosexuals need to get off the emotional bent and come back to reality.
Most of those that advocate for "openness" in the military have never slept in the same tent with or shared a shower with other military men. All I can say is- "Be careful of what you wish for. And don't forget, you asked for it."
You do realize that most 18-year old military grunts aren't exactly the most educated of our citizens? Get a group of those together and you honestly believe that tolerance will be the topic of the day? Homosexuals need to get off the emotional bent and come back to reality.
As should you. Homosexuals are actively serving in the military right now as we speak, and have since day one. They are sleeping in the same tents, showering in the same showers, fighting for the same American freedom and ideals, and dying to save their fellow soldier's lives in combat, and to protect their fellow Americans at home.
What exactly is your vision of "openness", by the way? What precisely do you think it is we are asking for?
As should you. Homosexuals are actively serving in the military right now as we speak, and have since day one. They are sleeping in the same tents, showering in the same showers, fighting for the same American freedom and ideals, and dying to save their fellow soldier's lives in combat, and to protect their fellow Americans at home.
What exactly is your vision of "openness", by the way? What precisely do you think it is we are asking for?
LOL I'm guessing you assume that i've never slept in those tents and showered in those shower's, don't you? You probably assume that i'm some armchair quarterback that insists on spouting my opinion on military policy with absolutely no basis in that opinion, huh? You couldn't be any more wrong.
Did I dispute that homosexuality exists in the military? Absolutely not.
I'll simply say this. Don't Ask, Don't Tell hurts no one. Period. If you want to have homosexual sex behind closed doors, so be it. But there is no place in our military for flaunting that lifestyle. The policy is in place to protect, not to provide. Who amongst your peers needs to know that you lust after other men? What good does that do to teamwork and morale? If you don't like it, get out.
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Most of those that advocate for "openness" in the military have never slept in the same tent with or shared a shower with other military men. All I can say is- "Be careful of what you wish for. And don't forget, you asked for it."
You do realize that most 18-year old military grunts aren't exactly the most educated of our citizens? Get a group of those together and you honestly believe that tolerance will be the topic of the day? Homosexuals need to get off the emotional bent and come back to reality.
I think you badly underestimate our young people.
This is a bit dated but gives a very different impression from what some might expect:
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Seems like a reasonable decision to me. 
