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You must have spent some time creating this dissertation of fear!
I disagree. Since health care as a product has theoretically an unlimited amount of demand and a very real finite supply of resources, it is perfectly rational to conclude a few of pghquest's outcomes. This is why UHC systems such as Canada and Britain experience long queues. Other countries likely do better because in their programs because they have a society that is much healthier, more productive (generating more GDP for the nation relative to their consumption), and complain less (malpractice is harder to sue for).
If you look at countries like Japan - who is having to CLOSE hospitals and clinics because they can no longer afford to keep them open, to France and Germany who are going into severe financial crisis because of their system (and more and more French citizens choosing the private doctor route for better care), I don't think you can say they are "all successful".
Perhaps a dose of TRUTH is a good thing during these discussions -
These people fail to understand, or they do understand and dont care, that a true UHC would cost $2,000,000,000,000 a YEAR in this country. Thats OBAMAS figures. I got this by taking the $1T proposal, dividing this by 10 years, which is their total timeframe, and then figuring out the cost if we had 320,000,000 people in the country. While we only have 306 M people, those numbers will surely grow and it was a nice round figure considering that the Obama plan is $1Trillion for 16M people and our population grows.
How in gods earth can the country afford $2 TRILLION a year MORE than what we currently spend?
To what degree have these problems been encountered in Austrailia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Cuba, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Japan, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Spain, Sweden, Taiwan, or the United Kingdom? All of these countries, as I'm sure you're aware, have one variant or another of a UHC-based health care system, and many of them have had for quite some time. What was their experience? Did they encounter any of the problems that you raise? If so, how did they deal with them? If not, why should we alone expect to?
I didnt ask you to change the subject to other countries who have no where near the amount of debt, spending, or citizens that we have. I know switching topics is what you do best though..
I checked, I didnt see you attempt to answer MY questions first..
You posed a list of hypothetical questions. The question asked of you was to provide evidence of any of your hypotheticals ever having happened in another UHC system. If you can't substantiate your "ifs" then there is nothing for me to answer. I don't have a crystal ball.
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