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Old 06-22-2009, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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You have any experience with ANY medical or insurance company? Its happening already with EVERYONE who deals with medicaid and medicare patience...
Yes, and why despite it being of potential benefit to me I don't support a single huge health care system.

When I was pregnant there were potential complications with delivery and my doctor wanted me checked over by a specialist. The clinic is so crowded that my son was three months old when the appointment came. My doctor in the same hospital tried to call and speed things up but could not. I'll never know if his knowing what was safe and what not impacted the complications. And this is the services within one city within one state. Imagine the mess if it grows to such huge size that the potential is even greater?

Vendors take a minimum of six months to be paid. Smaller vendors would be out of business. Fraud is easy since there is so much information around that nobody checks it, and usually it is when a patient somehow discovers a procedure not done but charged for that fraud is discovered.

I know we need to provide healthcare, and especially for those with pre-existing conditions who cannot get coverage from private companies no matter what. Or may have anything "connected" with the condition not covered. But blowing up medicade nation wide just doesn't seem like the best way to go.
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Old 06-22-2009, 01:10 PM
 
Location: FIN
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IMO, you are completely WRONG above - a vast majority of our hospitals are PRIVATELY owned - not publicly. For instance, in the Phoenix Metro Area there are only TWO government owned hospitals - and one of those is the VA hosptial. The other is the Maricopa County Hospital.

BUT, we have lots, and lots of private hospitals owned by Banner, Mayo and CSW (Catholic Services West).

But please, I'm sure you have evidence to the contrary - and if so, could you let us see it?
Forgive me, i should of made it more clear. I was talking about things in my country, where we have an UHC system.
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Old 06-22-2009, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Forgive me, i should of made it more clear. I was talking about things in my country, where we have an UHC system.
Thank you for clearing that up.

Here, in the US, it is exactly the opposite. And therein is one, just one, of the difficulties of converting the US to a UHC style country. The Government would have to acquire, buy, all of the private health care facilities - clinics, hospitals, practices, in the entire country to make it work. They would also have to purchase, at fair market value, all of the insurance companies and all of their assets.

The cost of doing the above is prohibitive.
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Old 06-22-2009, 01:15 PM
 
Location: here.
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all the Bs listed by the OP is what happens in the current system and its not associated with UHC
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Old 06-22-2009, 01:19 PM
 
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and complain less (malpractice is harder to sue for).
TORT spending accounts for less than 2% of healthcare costs.

"Lawyers are bankrupting the system" is one of those lies (along with "Welfare queens are bankrupting the system") that gets repeated often enough so people begin to believe it.
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Old 06-22-2009, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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Old 06-22-2009, 01:26 PM
 
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Funny.

It's simply amazing that those opposed to UHC will cry "bureaucrat" when the system is already overstuffed with bureaucracy.
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Old 06-22-2009, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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TORT spending accounts for less than 2% of healthcare costs.

"Lawyers are bankrupting the system" is one of those lies (along with "Welfare queens are bankrupting the system") that gets repeated often enough so people begin to believe it.
I respectfully disagree on the 2% statistic. The direct costs may only be 2%, but the indirect ones are likely staggering. Costs such as unnecessary regulations, huge increases in insurance causing a shortage in the OB/GYN specialty, etc.
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Old 06-22-2009, 08:14 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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what happens when the goverment does not want to pay for your childs medical needs anymore because it will cost too much because of a serious illness anymore, or your spouses needs because they have breast cancer?
When are you going to STOP applying the Private Insurance Model to a UHC. In a Govt funded UHC the Govt does NOT act like a Insurance Company and tell the Doctor what treatment he can or can't give. Certain protocals are put in place to make sure that there is no abuse of the system and that the best treatment is used for each individual case. I keep hearing "what if the Govt doesn't allow this or that". I and my family have used a UHC for over 60 years and we have not yet met anyone who has been refused treatment.
A UHC is NOT a private health service. The Private Insurance companies are the ones who try their hardest to refuse treatment...They have said so themselves and this is what you are fighting to keep.......Expensive premiums with Insurance Companies that openly admit to wanting to give you as little as they can.
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Old 06-22-2009, 08:26 PM
 
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The Government would have to acquire, buy, all of the private health care facilities - clinics, hospitals, practices, in the entire country to make it work. They would also have to purchase, at fair market value, all of the insurance companies and all of their assets.
What??? Where on earth did that come from??? What UHC country had to buy up all their hospitals, clinics, and insurance companies as part of implementing their plan? You've gone goofy on this one...
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