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These people fail to understand, or they do understand and dont care, that a true UHC would cost $2,000,000,000,000 a YEAR in this country. Thats OBAMAS figures. I got this by taking the $1T proposal, dividing this by 10 years, which is their total timeframe, and then figuring out the cost if we had 320,000,000 people in the country. While we only have 306 M people, those numbers will surely grow and it was a nice round figure considering that the Obama plan is $1Trillion for 16M people...
How in gods earth can the country afford $2 TRILLION a year MORE than what we currently spend?
So nearly every other industrialised nation has managed to set up and run a successful UHC but you are saying that America is Incapable? Astonishing!
Just say NO to UHC! NO! NO! NO! Its not just no to UHC, its NO to Socialism and Communism!!!!!! Ooops, now I sound like a neocon, but I'm really a Dem.
Ooh and btw, Japan also nationalized some of their hospitals that cant afford to stay open, (brings you back to my OP, will we then nationalize the hospitals?)and can tell their sick that they wont treat them..
Yeah, lets all get universal health care like Japan
I didnt ask you to change the subject to other countries who have no where near the amount of debt, spending, or citizens that we have. I know switching topics is what you do best though..
I noticed immediately that these countries largely are monolithic in terms of ethnicity (few minority groups), highly productive (they work their butt off producing instead of consuming), and have little debt. I think saganista's reasoning is faulty, and is better reasoned with comparing the US with other countries having diverse population group along with a high deficit. Argentina? How is their UHC?
So nearly every other industrialised nation has managed to set up and run a successful UHC but you are saying that America is Incapable? Astonishing!
Another failed attempt at answering the questions.
Where will the US Government get $2 TRILLION a year for UNC? (and thats using Obamas own figures)? And what happens when some of those listed in my thread happen? Will we support nationalizing hospitals? Hiring doctors on the public payroll? What will be next?
I found this one recently in trying to find out information about what UHC is like in other countries, trying to determine if it is the right thing for America. Look at the newspaper article links half way down the page.
The Problems with Socialized Health Care (http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman/issues/healthcare/socialized.html - broken link)
So nearly every other industrialised nation has managed to set up and run a successful UHC but you are saying that America is Incapable? Astonishing!
My God, you're more than just a Socialist, you're also a Globalist. You want all Americans to go under one health plan controlled by Globalists such as yourself and pass it off as something wonderful. Create a crisis, then have all of the plebs begging for massive government takeover. What are your REAL intentions? You scare me!!!!!!!!!!!!
From the same place you got the trillions to fund the Iraq war or the trillions you got to fund your space programme sending satellites to Mars.
Not even close, the war cost about $100 Billion a year, this will cost TWENTY times that.
I dont want the thread to turn into a discussion on costs, I want to discuss what WILL happen IF we get UHC and we cant afford it, which we cant.. What are you willing to then do? What will be the proposals to "save the hospitals", keep doctors working, keeping offices open? I already know one guy who is facing bankruptcy because government is cutting back on payments so much he cant afford to keep his practice open, and his practice sees thousands of ill individuals (I believe mental illness but not sure). Should the government then nationalize the doctors offices to keep them open?
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