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Old 07-01-2009, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth/Dallas
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It is in the hands of right-wingers. Patriotism is robbed of its meaning when it is reduced to pre-scripted ritual to be performed on command or signal. Citizens are robbed of their right to express patriotism when the very sentiment itself is hijacked and made part of a narrow and corrupt religous or political ideology. Those who love America do not enjoy seeing Americans encouraged or expected to behave like so many Chinese school children reading from Mao's Little Red Book...
So the Pledge of Allegiance is nothing more than a pre-scripted ritual and reminiscent of a narrow and corrupt religious idealogy? And honoring our country in this manner is like being Chinese school children?

I think not. I also think that those who do not honor as such have little interest in what this country is all about.
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:44 AM
 
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I have always said I've never seen a replublican fight for the right to burn american flags
It's the only proper way to let them RIP when their services are over...
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:48 AM
 
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Why did those two Dem politicians pull down the one Democrat that was going to stand and pledge allegiance??

As for the issue of standing or not, well, I just think it's about selfishness. Those that don't stand are obviously not happy with something this country is or isn't doing so they use this as a form of "protest" and have the right to do so.

Those that do choose to stand are showing their loyalty to a country that they may or may not always agree with, but appreciate what this country and it's people stand for. Clearly these people are showing more respect to this country while others take it as some silly little protest about so-called rights and freedoms.
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Old 07-03-2009, 03:44 PM
 
Location: wichita
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This is not a values issue. It is literally a "pledge of allegiance" to your own country. It begs the question if one is not "comfortable" simply "pledging allegiance", where do your loyalties really lie?

Since the counter culture revolution of the 1960s, it has become fashionable among the pseudo elite liberal groups to deride thier own nation and to assume the initial assumption that their country is wrong in its basis and policy. This "contrarian" attitude in the 1960s was new and shocking to the establishment, thus there is the shock appeal on the part of the youth then to show thier separation from parental authority and thier personal values. In essence, it is just stupid and has all the same merit of a child throwing a tantrum to test the limits of thier parents. The modern liberal usually will not pledge loyalty to their country, as it is not fashionable to do so, and usually praise and idolize tyrants (such as Casto and Chavez) instead. They do not realize that sacrificing personal liberties to gain comforts from the state (socialism) is tyranny and is what the intial American Revolution was all about.

Think about it. Why not a pledge of your loyalty or allegiance to YOUR OWN COUNTRY. If not, where do your loyalties really lie? Let's get over the childish tantrum behavior of the 1960s and actually be proud that we are Americans and resist the inane pressure to be fashionably liberal, just like the hollywood elite.
More spin and outright deception. When it is something on the left it is a hatred for the country, when Limbaugh and others want the president to fail it is patriotism. When they like the way things are going you have to support the president because he holds the office and we need to respect him even if that is Bush. But when it is Obama, they run from “he has not birth certificate” to he is not deserving of our support. Limbaugh and Hannity daily run the double standard card. Those who marched against the Vietnam war loved their country as much as those who thought that the war was good, it was just a different ideology. When one can not debate but on name calling such as socialist or communist it makes it plain to see that they are out of ideas and can not hold a debate on facts. I think we learned that the war in Vietnam was a looser, that it was not worth loosing life and material for, and that by loosing the end of the world did not happen [the only reason for fighting it] and the rest of the world did not collapse into the grasp of the USSR. This propaganda by the right is old, tired and it does not hold water. It was tried in the last 2 elections and failed miserably.
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