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To the op, women know that there's a potential human in their womb.
Why do you think they're going for an abortion. They don't want that potential human.
A fetus isn't a 'potential' human. At the point of conception, the fetus as at all at once, distinct, living, and human...biologically speaking.
The only reason that this needs to be discussed is that there's proof all throughout this thread that even adults who one would presume are educated think that there is some magical point in which the fetus becomes human, or alive. Someone tried to argue with me that no biology textbook says life begins at conception, it is all a matter of opinion. It is clearly not, despite the fact that abortion lobbyists have done a good job of convincing the American public that it somehow is. It's baffling.
Since many people on this thread do not have a good working knowledge of biology, one could very easily presume that the average woman seeking an abortion does not as well.
A fetus isn't a 'potential' human. At the point of conception, the fetus as at all at once, distinct, living, and human...biologically speaking.
The only reason that this needs to be discussed is that there's proof all throughout this thread that even adults who one would presume are educated think that there is some magical point in which the fetus becomes human, or alive. Since many people on this thread do not have a good working knowledge of biology, one could very easily presume that the average woman seeking an abortion does not as well.
Biologically, you are correct. It is human from the point of conception.
However, the point where people keep getting hanged up on is when it becomes a being, so to speak, capable of feeling/cognitive measures of any sort.
HOwever, in my case, I simply don't care. My main cut-off point is when the fetus can live without the incubator's help. No woman should ever be forced to go through a pregnancy she doesn't want. A woman's right to bodily domain always trumps the fetus in my opinion.
However, the point where people keep getting hanged up on is when it becomes a being, so to speak, capable of feeling/cognitive measures of any sort.
This is a philosophical question, since there are many human beings with different gradations of sentience and cognition, based on disability and other factors. I've dealt with this before, and I always posit that there's no way around this then assigning gradations of worth amongst human beings according to their cognitive abilities, which people tend to balk at, with good reason.
Biologically, you are correct. It is human from the point of conception.
However, the point where people keep getting hanged up on is when it becomes a being, so to speak, capable of feeling/cognitive measures of any sort.
HOwever, in my case, I simply don't care. My main cut-off point is when the fetus can live without the incubator's help. No woman should ever be forced to go through a pregnancy she doesn't want. A woman's right to bodily domain always trumps the fetus in my opinion.
This is a philosophical question, since there are many human beings with different gradations of sentience and cognition, based on disability and other factors. I've dealt with this before, and I always posit that there's no way around this then assigning gradations of worth amongst human beings according to their cognitive abilities, which people tend to balk at, with good reason.
"on any level".
Or did you skip over that?
And yes, I do advocate euthanasia for people who are incapable of any cognitive abilities whatsoever.
And yes, I do advocate euthanasia for people who are incapable of any cognitive abilities whatsoever.
This doesn't address the fact that cognition and sentience itself are present in varying gradations throughout all of humanity, and by inferring that's where the intrinsic value of human life lies, that some human beings are inherently worth less than others, on a hierarchical scale.
Sure. They can say it. It is not like women do not know that.
It is just to try to get them to go through a guilty trip.
I agree.. we are aware it ends life... thats pretty much the point of getting an abortion.
But to get us to feel guilty? We dont need a judge or doctor to make us feel that way. I dont know any women who has had an abortion and didnt feel guilty about it. (ps i didnt say regret, i said guilt)
For us who believe human life is intrinsically valuable, it is everyone's business.
You are a clump of cells. You will die a clump of cells. What does that have to do with the intrinsic value of your life?
I am a vegan. I also am against slavery. Everytime I advocate that people not torture and kill animals or enslave other people, I'm 'forcing my beliefs' on others. I believe in justice. I don't care if that makes other people uncomfortable.
You are also placing the fetus's interests above the interests of the woman. Which are your values. Are your values inherently better than everyone else's? Are your beliefs more valid than another person's? Because you are essentially saying that your judgment is superior to other people's, and therefore you have the right to impose that judgment on other people.
So you think they are too stupid to control their life in the first aspect so they need a 2nd chance?
They controlled their body when they decided to lay down for any man they see.
More of that misogynistic, sex-hating rhetoric.
Hating women, hating sex.
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