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Old 08-24-2009, 11:50 AM
 
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Since rape is not an act of consent, I would be in favor of choice in these cases (as well as those cases where the woman's life is in jeopardy). I don't believe in forcing someone to carry a rapist child. Unfortunately, abortions are carried out more often because the pregnancy came at an "inconvenient" time for the woman.
You just lost all credibililty. You've been arguing that life begins at conception . . . but now murdering an unborn child is OK if it was concieved throug rape. I'll bet the unborn child takes some comfort in knowing that its life is less valuable for that reason. If you are truly concerned about "human life" how can you make an exception for abortion? Your true colors are showing.
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Old 08-24-2009, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Astoria, NY
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Again - no. Show me a SCIENCE book that says life begins at conception. Absolute hogwash. Back it up.
Fine.

Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoo developmentn) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual."
"A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo)."
Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.
"Development begins with fertilization, the process by which the male gamete, the sperm, and the femal gamete, the oocyte, unite to give rise to a zygote."
T.W. Sadler, Langman's Medical Embryology, 10th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Lippincott Williams & Wilkins, 2006. p. 11.
"[The zygote], formed by the union of an oocyte and a sperm, is the beginning of a new human being."
Keith L. Moore, Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2008. p. 2.
"Although life is a continuous process, fertilization (which, incidentally, is not a 'moment') is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new genetically distinct human organism is formed when the chromosomes of the male and female pronuclei blend in the oocyte."
Ronan O'Rahilly and Fabiola Müller, Human Embryology and Teratology, 3rd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 2001. p. 8.
"Human embryos begin development following the fusion of definitive male and female gametes during fertilization... This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development."
William J. Larsen, Essentials of Human Embryology. New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1998. pp. 1, 14.
"It is the penetration of the ovum by a spermatozoan and resultant mingling of the nuclear material each brings to the union that constitues the culmination of the process of fertilization and marks the initiation of the life of a new individual."
Clark Edward Corliss, Patten's Human Embryology: Elements of Clinical Development. New York: McGraw Hill, 1976. p. 30.
"The term conception refers to the union of the male and female pronuclear elements of procreation from which a new living being develops."
"The zygote thus formed represents the beginning of a new life."
J.P. Greenhill and E.A. Friedman, Biological Principles and Modern Practice of Obstetrics. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders, 1974. pp. 17, 23.
"Every time a sperm cell and ovum unite a new being is created which is alive and will continue to live unless its death is brought about by some specific condition."
E.L. Potter and J.M. Craig, Pathology of the Fetus and the Infant, 3rd edition. Chicago: Year Book Medical Publishers, 1975. p. vii.
"Every baby begins life within the tiny globe of the mother's egg... It is beautifully translucent and fragile and it encompasses the vital links in which life is carried from one generation to the next. Within this tiny sphere great events take place. When one of the father's sperm cells, like the ones gathered here around the egg, succeeds in penetrating the egg and becomes united with it, a new life can begin." - 13
Geraldine Lux Flanagan, Beginning Life. New York: DK, 1996. p. 13.
"Biologically speaking, human development begins at fertilization."
The Biology of Prenatal Develpment, National Geographic, 2006.
"The two cells gradually and gracefully become one. This is the moment of conception, when an individual's unique set of DNA is created, a human signature that never existed before and will never be repeated."
In the Womb, National Geographic, 2005.
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Old 08-24-2009, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Since contraception is more effective today, what rationalization can be made for why we still need abortion?
How about the fact that contraception is not 100% effective? It may be more effective than it was 40 years ago, may even be more widely available - but it still fails. There is NO 100% infallible contraceptive other than abstinence and it's ridiculous to believe that all women will at all times be abstinent!
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Old 08-24-2009, 12:08 PM
 
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And then Mother Nature steps in and it is estimated that as many as 75% of those fertilized eggs don't develop into fetuses.
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Old 08-24-2009, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Astoria, NY
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You just lost all credibililty. You've been arguing that life begins at conception . . . but now murdering an unborn child is OK if it was concieved throug rape. I'll bet the unborn child takes some comfort in knowing that its life is less valuable for that reason. If you are truly concerned about "human life" how can you make an exception for abortion? Your true colors are showing.
I completely agree.
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Old 08-24-2009, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Astoria, NY
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I hate the 'clump of cells' rationale (or non-rationale).

We were conceived as a clump of cells, currently we are a clump of cells, and we will die a clump of cells.

I can't believe the nonsense and non-information on this thread.

Life begins at 'viability'? FYI, the age of viability has been going down steadily for a while with better and better technology, life hasn't actually started beginning earlier. Nonsense.

Again, some people need to brush up on their basic biology knowledge.
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Old 08-24-2009, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I hate the 'clump of cells' rationale (or non-rationale).

We were conceived as a clump of cells, currently we are a clump of cells, and we will die a clump of cells.
Many do. And we can blame God to be an abortionist for that reason.
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Old 08-24-2009, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Astoria, NY
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Many do. And we can blame God to be an abortionist for that reason.
God doesn't exist and 'nature' is a construct. Babies die in childbirth, and in their cribs for little apparent reason. That doesn't mean the liability is removed from someone who strangles a baby.
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Old 08-24-2009, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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God doesn't exist and 'nature' is a construct. Babies die in childbirth, and in their cribs for little apparent reason. That doesn't mean the liability is removed from someone who strangles a baby.
Baby?
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Old 08-24-2009, 12:19 PM
 
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You just lost all credibililty. You've been arguing that life begins at conception . . . but now murdering an unborn child is OK if it was concieved throug rape. I'll bet the unborn child takes some comfort in knowing that its life is less valuable for that reason. If you are truly concerned about "human life" how can you make an exception for abortion? Your true colors are showing.
That's the contradiction in her "reasoning" that I tried to point out.

She said abortion kills an "innocent life" so it's wrong.
Then she turns around and says abortion is OK incase of rape.

How did /does the "innocent life" change in those two instances.

She never could answer.....resorted to "you're too emotional" instead of a real answer...
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