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Old 10-04-2009, 03:54 PM
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong but don't the Jews and the Islamic faith pray to the same God as the Christians do? Last I heard, neither one was Christian.
Jews and Christians believe in same god, although Jews do not believe in Jesus. Muslim God is not the same God. However, it is dishonest word-twisting from the OPs part to suggest that Obama said US is not a Christian nation. He said US is a Christian nation, a Jewish nation, Muslim nation, atheist nation etc. The point of his words is obvious: US is a nation of many religions.

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Old 10-04-2009, 03:58 PM
 
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Jews and Christians believe in same god, althought Jews do not believe in Jesus. Muslim God is not same God. However, it is dishonset word-twisting from the OPs part to suggest that Obama said US is not a Christian nation. He said US is a Christian nation, a Jewish nation, Muslim nation, atheist nation etc. The point of his words is obvious: US is a nation of many religions.
You'd think it would be obvious, wouldnt you?
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Old 10-04-2009, 04:05 PM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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Don't you look at his speech in Cairo last spring or you may find just what I said. He is so afraid of being possibly politically incorrect as most liberals are that he does make that mistake now and then.

Was he right? No, he wasn't since Christianity is still far beyond the others, in numbers.
Here is the full text of the speech in Cairo. Maybe I missed it but I don't see what you said.

Obama Speech In Cairo: VIDEO, Full Text
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Old 10-04-2009, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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What's so bad about including all religions, and non religions in a speech? Many Christians believe that they float higher in the ethers than the Pagans.I have yet to see proof of any such thing. As a matter of fact, early American Christians killed witches based on a bible passage. Had Pagans hung Christians for "acting strange" we would never hear the end of it !
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Old 10-04-2009, 04:39 PM
 
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I might suggest that there were a few Jews but nearly no Muslims in the US at the time those constitutions were written. Yes, they were trying to keep it from seeming like only Christianity was THE religion but that wasn't being done to give Islam the headway that many try to consider today.

Yep, I remember that Oba mao refused to take part in the National Day of Prayer that had been around for so long and then didn't try to slow down the same thing for Muslims that was held across the street from the White House.

If you can't accept those words as what they were obviously meant to be back when they were written then keep on trying to keep this from being a Christian nation. You and Oba mao may go far.

The first amendment keeps this from being a "Christian nation". I didn't write it.
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Old 10-04-2009, 04:40 PM
 
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What's so bad about including all religions, and non religions in a speech? Many Christians believe that they float higher in the ethers than the Pagans.I have yet to see proof of any such thing. As a matter of fact, early American Christians killed witches based on a bible passage. Had Pagans hung Christians for "acting strange" we would never hear the end of it !
I agree. No one has ever been able to answer that.

What is wrong with including ALL religions and the non religious!?
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Old 10-04-2009, 04:43 PM
 
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For some reason every one of our states mentions God in their preamble. Our President told the Muslims in Cairo that we are not a Christian nation and I am wondering when he will change any of these preambles. Maybe the ACLU may come up with something to change the wordiing.

I took this list from a new website, well new to me, called Mommylife. It is written by a former activist of the Ayers days who managed to change her beliefs after marrying another drug addict who she met in a drying out place. The site is written by Barbara Curtis and you can access it by using this URL.


Mommy Life





50 State preambles affirm belief in God

Despite claims to the contrary - even by our current president - this IS a Christian nation. We claimed freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. This is a pervasive cry throughout all our founding history and documents.

One of the moms on the Glenn Beck 9-12 Moms show mentioned that every state affirms God in the preamble. That's worth knowing, so I'm rerunning my 4/26/07 piece:

Do you know the Preamble for your state?

Alabama 1901, Preamble: We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution. . . .
Alaska 1956, Preamble: We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land. . . .

Arizona 1911, Preamble: We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution. . .

Arkansas 1874, Preamble: We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government. . .

California 1879, Preamble: We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom. . .

Colorado 1876, Preamble: We, the people of Colorado, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of Universe. . .

Connecticut 1818, Preamble: The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy. . .

Delaware 1897, Preamble: Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences. . .

Florida 1885, Preamble: We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution. . .

Georgia 1777, Preamble: We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution. . .

Hawaii 1959, Preamble: We, the people of Hawaii, grateful for Divine Guidance. . .Establish this Constitution.

Idaho 1889, Preamble: We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings.

Illinois 1870, Preamble: We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.

Indiana 1851, Preamble: We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to choose our form of government.

Iowa 1857, Preamble: We, the People of the State of Iowa , grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings establish this Constitution. . .

Kansas 1859, Preamble: We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges establish this Constitution. . .

Kentucky 1891, Preamble: We, the people of the Commonwealth are grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties. . .

Louisiana 1921, Preamble: We, the people of the State of Louisiana , grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy. . .

Maine 1820, Preamble: We the People of Maine acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity:.. And imploring His aid and direction. . .

Maryland 1776, Preamble: We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberty...

Massachusetts 1780, Preamble: We...the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe, In the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly imploring His direction. . .

Michigan 1908, Preamble: We, the people of the State of Michigan, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom establish this Constitution. . .

Minnesota, 1857, Preamble: We, the people of the State of Minnesota, grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings. . .

Mississippi 1890, Preamble: We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Al mighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.

Missouri 1845, Preamble: We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness, Establish this Constitution. . .

Montana 1889, Preamble: We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution. . .

Nebraska 1875, Preamble: We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, Establish this Constitution. . .

Nevada 1864, Preamble: We the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom establish this Constitution. . .

New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience. . .

New Jersey 1844, Preamble: We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.

New Mexico 1911, Preamble: We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty. . .

New York 1846, Preamble: We, the people of the State of New York, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings. . .

North Carolina 1868, Preamble: We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those. . .

North Dakota 1889, Preamble: We, the people of North Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...

Ohio 1852, Preamble: We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common. . .

Oklahoma 1907, Preamble: Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty:..

Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I. Section 2. All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences..

Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble: We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance. . .

Rhode Island 1842, Preamble: We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing . .

South Carolina, 1778, Preamble: We, the people of he State of South Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution.

South Dakota 1889, Preamble: We, the people of South Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties

Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III: That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience...

Texas 1845, Preamble: We the People of the Republic of Texas , acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God. . .

Utah 1896, Preamble: Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution.

Vermont 1777, Preamble: Whereas all government ought to enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man

Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI: Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator can be directed only by Reason and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other

Washington 1889, Preamble: We the People of the State of Washington , grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution

West Virginia 1872, Preamble: Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God:

Wisconsin 1848, Preamble: We, the people of Wisconsin , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility. . .

Wyoming 1890, Preamble: We, the people of the State of Wyoming , grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties:. establish this Constitution.

After reviewing acknowledgments of God from all 50 state constitutions, one is faced with the prospect that maybe, the ACLU and the out-of-control federal courts are wrong! Please pass on this information.

Thanks to Martha Sears for sending me this!

Love,

Barbara
Allah is the standard Arabic word for God
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Old 10-04-2009, 04:43 PM
 
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And please don't anyone answer THE question....what bloody difference does it make?


Are Americans automatically better because of one stupid word?????


NO. Nothing has been better or worse because of that word.....EVER!
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Old 10-04-2009, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Yep, I remember that Oba mao refused to take part in the National Day of Prayer that had been around for so long and then didn't try to slow down the same thing for Muslims that was held across the street from the White House.
Does the President have sex? Do you? If it's not public, then how do we know whether it happens or not?
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Old 10-04-2009, 04:46 PM
 
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The ACLU fights just as hard for INDIVIDUAL free exercise of religion as the ACLU fights against GOVERNMENT endorsement, sponsorship, or establishment of religion. Despite this fact, many people spread misinformation about the ACLU around the internet, innocently and maliciously, falsely claiming the ACLU is anti-religion or anti-Christian. The ACLU Fights for Christians

This is a common misconception of the ACLU. I think most people who believe they are anti christian watch Fox News

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