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roysoldboy (merely repeating what sanrene and the rest of the "spreaders" have been spreading around) wrote;
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and found a site that said the police estimated from 10,000 to 13,000.
Oh, well. There we have the final authority on EVERYTHING. You found a site that said, "...."
I found a site that said that G. W. Bush was abducted by aliens.
I found a site that said there were four hundred gazillion people at the Boston rally.
Suddenly all of your righties who absolutely HATE MSNBC AND EVERYONE AFFILIATED WITH IT, are now quoting them as the SOURCE OF ALL THAT IS GOOD AND HOLY.
But let's face some simple facts. The BPD has said REPEATEDLY that they do NOT give crowd estimates. Actually most PDs don't. Several sites have picked up the "police estimate that ..." thread and have been immediately and repeatedly told that the PD doesn't do that. Why is it that you people are so ready to believe what some idiot blogger wrote, but NOT what the BPD actually said.
Maybe the reason NO ONE trusts any tea party numbers is the blatant LIE told a few months ago at the DC event where to "prove" their numbers they showed OBVIOUSLY OUT OF SEASON film showing trees without leaves instead of blooming trees. Wait, I may have said that backwards, they showed blooming trees at an event in the autumn.
political system with elected representatives: a political system or form of government in which people elect representatives to exercise power for them
state with elected representatives: a country or other political unit whose government or political system is that of a republic
unit within larger country: a constituent political and territorial unit of a national federation or union
group with collective interests: a group of people who are considered to be equals and who have a collective interest, objective, or vocation ( formal )
1) The political system of Colorado is indeed elected right? or are they a communist state?
2) The state has elected representation does it not? They take part in the electorial college for example, or are they exempt from electing the president?
3) They are a unit within the USA are they not?
4) Everyone in Colorado is considered equals are they not? I dont believe they still have slavery for example..
They are a representative republic just like every state in the nation is..
Your Peoples Republic of China actually supports my argument, that just because a government is called something, doesnt make it so.. Go back a few postings where I stated this very clearly..
GOVERNMENT (Republican Form of Government)- One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695
The point was that in a republican form of government, the people (NOT CITIZENS) are the sovereigns, and directly exercise sovereignty.
In a democracy, the whole body of citizens indirectly exercise sovereignty.
What most Americans do not realize is that there is only one nation that claims a "republican form of government." And its opponents are on the brink of erasing it from the face of the earth.
If you haven't been informed why individual sovereignty is superior to group conformity in the socialist democracy, that's because America is victim of the world's greatest propaganda ministry.
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References:
At the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people and they are truly the sovereigns of the country.Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 Dall. 440, 463
It will be admitted on all hands that with the exception of the powers granted to the states and the federal government, through the Constitutions, the people of the several states are unconditionally sovereign within their respective states.
Ohio L. Ins. & T. Co. v. Debolt 16 How. 416, 14 L.Ed. 997
In America, however, the case is widely different. Our government is founded upon compact. Sovereignty was, and is, in the people.
[ Glass vs The Sloop Betsey, 3 Dall 6 (1794)]
Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts.
[Yick Wo vs Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 370 (1886)]
The people, in America, are the sovereigns.
IN contrast:
CITIZEN - ... Citizens are members of a political community who, in their associative capacity, have established or submitted themselves to the dominion of government for the promotion of the general welfare and the protection of their individual as well as collective rights.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed. p.244
SUBJECT - One that owes allegiance to a sovereign and is governed by his laws.
...Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws. The term is little used, in this sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of government.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1425
"... the term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "subject" in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government. ... he who before was a "subject of the King" is now a citizen of the State."
State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)
Citizens, by definition, are subjects. They are bound to perform duties. They are NOT sovereigns.
If American people are sovereign but U.S. citizens are subjects, how did "all Americans" become subject citizens at birth?
According to the 13th amendment, involuntary servitude was abolished in the United States of America... except after conviction. But civic duties are compulsory - with penalties for failure to perform.
The Supreme Court has held, in Butler v. Perry, 240 U.S. 328 (1916), that the Thirteenth Amendment does not prohibit "enforcement of those duties which individuals owe to the state, such as services in the army, militia, on the jury, etc."
In Selective Draft Law Cases, 245 U.S. 366 (1918), the Supreme Court ruled that the military draft was not "involuntary servitude".
If compulsory military service is NOT INVOLUNTARY, then it must be voluntary servitude.
13th amendment prohibits involuntary servitude "within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
14th amendment imposes citizenship upon persons "born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof".
FEDERAL CORPORATIONS - The United States government is a foreign corporation with respect to a state.
- - - Volume 19, Corpus Juris Secundum XVIII. Foreign Corporations, Sections 883,884
How did "all Americans" become citizens, at birth, of a foreign corporation? Wouldn't that make civic duties into involuntary servitude?
What?
You weren't informed that the United States = Congress, while the United States of America refers to the States united?
Articles of Confederation (1777)
Article I. The Stile of this confederacy shall be "The United States of America".
Article II. Each state retains its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every Power, Jurisdiction and right, which is not by this confederation expressly delegated to the United States, in Congress assembled.
(Are you starting to get the picture?)
Quick reference to "sovereignty"
SOVEREIGN - "...Having undisputed right to make decisions and act accordingly".
New Webster's Dictionary And Thesaurus, p. 950.
SOVEREIGN - A person, body or state in which independent and supreme authority is vested...
Black's Law Dictionary Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1395.
SOVEREIGNTY - ...By "Sovereignty", in its largest sense is meant supreme, absolute, uncontrollable power, the absolute right to govern.
Black's Law Dictionary Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1396.
"In common usage, the term 'person' does not include the sovereign, [and] statutes employing the [word] are ordinarily construed to exclude it."
Wilson v. Omaha Indian Tribe, 442 U.S. 653, 667, 61 L.Ed2. 153, 99 S.Ct. 2529 (1979)
(quoting United States v. Cooper Corp. 312 U.S. 600, 604, 85 L.Ed. 1071, 61 S.Ct. 742 (1941)).
"A Sovereign cannot be named in any statute as merely a 'person' or 'any person'".
Wills v. Michigan State Police, 105 L.Ed. 45 (1989)
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
[14th Amendment, Section 1.]
Did that foreign corporation really pass any laws that obligated the sovereign American people?
Can't blame them, if you consented, as evidenced by all those signatures upon government forms, wherein you claimed to be their subject person.
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