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Old 02-24-2017, 12:21 AM
 
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What is alarming to me is:



Now I'm probably a lefty compared to many, and certainly not in the "let's persecute all Muslims" camp, but it seems that when the evidence is as damning as this, that (after a trial) if convicted, the "maximum penalty for such behavior should be worse.

Obviously "innocent until proven guilty", and until then, we don't know if the maximum penalty is warranted, but if it all turns out to be true, it seems someone who is potentially hours (or minutes) away from a mass-murder, with loaded weapons, a written plan, and pieces already in motion should POTENTIALLY get more than five years. No?

BTW, I live in Cary, so very relevant to me. Thank you OP for posting.
Five years is way too short.

A civil commitment for life would be appropriate for a sick and dangerous person like this.
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Old 02-24-2017, 12:25 AM
 
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The Soviets based the design concept on the German Stg-44. The Germans found that most engagements occurred at close ranges due to their "lightening warfare" tactics. The intermediate cartridge offered rifle accuracy but was controllable in FA.




If you are truly a pro-gun person, then you know the purpose of the Second Amendment is not hunting or target shooting either - it is empowerment of the public. If you don't know why that is important, then you haven't been paying much attention.
Second amendment should be restricted to reasonable firearms. Automatic weapons must be restricted to military and law enforcement.
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Old 02-24-2017, 05:55 AM
 
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Second amendment should be restricted to reasonable firearms. Automatic weapons must be restricted to military and law enforcement.
Automatic weapons are restricted to military and law enforcement. An automatic weapon is select fire or full auto. Meaning pull the trigger and more than one round is fired. Semi auto is one round with each trigger pull. I think you are using terms commonly used on CNN by people that don't know firearms. Long article, but informative about purchasing a machine gun legally http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...ide-full-auto/
Or youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-F13WmV1NM

If a civilian wants to own an automatic weapon you need to do the following. Find one for sale that was registered with the federal government before 1986. Go through the ATF and acquire a $200 tax stamp in order to purchase that weapon. It takes on average 9 months in order to get the stamp. Once you have it you can take possession of the gun. Since there is a limited supply of those guns, they sell for a crazy amount of money. A registered piece of a gun that is used to convert a gun to full auto could sell for $25,000+. You think a criminal is going through all this for a full auto gun? Nope.

Have you ever shot a gun full auto? You can rent them at Triangle Shooting academy and they are a ton of fun. They are definitely not more deadly in the hands of a civilian. I can barely keep an mp5 on the paper in full auto, but in semi I can keep small groupings very easily. The rules against machine guns are pretty silly once you actually handle them, and realize you need a very skilled operator to use them efficiently. Gun people understand this because we know better.



Does this gun look like it should be banned?




How about this one?

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Old 02-24-2017, 07:02 AM
 
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Automatic weapons are restricted to military and law enforcement. An automatic weapon is select fire or full auto. Meaning pull the trigger and more than one round is fired. Semi auto is one round with each trigger pull. I think you are using terms commonly used on CNN by people that don't know firearms. Long article, but informative about purchasing a machine gun legally Machine Guns Are Legal: A Practical Guide to Full Auto - The Firearm BlogThe Firearm Blog
Or youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-F13WmV1NM

If a civilian wants to own an automatic weapon you need to do the following. Find one for sale that was registered with the federal government before 1986. Go through the ATF and acquire a $200 tax stamp in order to purchase that weapon. It takes on average 9 months in order to get the stamp. Once you have it you can take possession of the gun. Since there is a limited supply of those guns, they sell for a crazy amount of money. A registered piece of a gun that is used to convert a gun to full auto could sell for $25,000+. You think a criminal is going through all this for a full auto gun? Nope.

Have you ever shot a gun full auto? You can rent them at Triangle Shooting academy and they are a ton of fun. They are definitely not more deadly in the hands of a civilian. I can barely keep an mp5 on the paper in full auto, but in semi I can keep small groupings very easily. The rules against machine guns are pretty silly once you actually handle them, and realize you need a very skilled operator to use them efficiently. Gun people understand this because we know better.



Does this gun look like it should be banned?




How about this one?
Whatever they look like, civilians have no sporting need for them and should not be able to own them under any circumstances.

Allowing these to be sold increases the chance of theft from homes and gun stores.
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Old 02-24-2017, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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So WRAL reports this as just "a 27 year-old Cary man" but when the admin wants to stop 7 countries from sending immigrants over until they can be vetted WRAL continually referred to it as a "Muslim ban".

Got it.

Seriously, I'm not a right wing nut, I'm a full blown leftie, but it really is starting to get irritating.

Put me down as happy this guy was stopped by his own ego. While you can debate the finer points of automatic vs semi-automatic weapons to your hearts content, the fact remains the guy possessed an assault rifle and a bunch of ammunition that was designed for a single purpose, and no it's not to hunt deer.

This. Exactly why I have to agree with our president about the media being out of control.
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Old 02-24-2017, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Research Triangle, NC
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I didn't read anything saying this gun was full auto. Or are you just not familiar with firearms?
Are AK-47s not full auto (at least part time)? If not, my mistake.
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Old 02-24-2017, 07:57 AM
 
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Can't find my old DDMS yearbooks.......but I'm about 90% sure I went to middle school with this guy....
He graduated from Hoggard HS in Wilmington.
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Old 02-24-2017, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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I saw his mugshot the day after he was caught and the only charge he had at the time was cyberstalking. The article made it seem like he was being charged with other things (something about interstate commerce etc), but the only actual charge I saw was cyber stalking and there hasn't been anymore media coverage of this case.
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Old 02-24-2017, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Apex
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This was an ak-47 which you said has one purpose and that's not to hunt. You didn't specify what that purpose was, but I have used an ak-47 at the range several times and they are very fun. That's a purpose right?
Well there are people that think keeping dozens of king cobras and other venomous snakes in their basement in the middle of suburbia is fun, and they can cite the goal of serving their own purpose, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea or should be allowed.

The ak-47 was designed to cheap to make, to be reliable under harsh conditions, and for heavy penetration. It was a great gun for the environments like the jungles of Vietnam because of the climate and other environmental conditions and the need to penetrate foliage in jungle battles.

The characteristics that made it a great gun for that use make it a terrible choice to own or operate in modern urban or suburban environments. It's also a terrible choice for hunting in most environments. The recoil and handling is bested by many other choices. And yes I've fired many AK variants.

As to whether they are "fun", well just ask the typical murderous gang. They will tell you they are lots of fun, because they are destructive as hell, penetrate homes great and make a good choice for drive-by shootings. Guess we can all justify our purposes when we try hard enough.

Murderous gang use and the suitability of the weapon for killing humans (often not even the intended targets) is what gave the gun the bad rap. Not the use of it by Vietcong in the Vietnam war, and not the use of it by Muslim radicals in the middle east.
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Old 02-24-2017, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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Obviously we should be banning all Grimsley's
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