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Now I'm probably a lefty compared to many, and certainly not in the "let's persecute all Muslims" camp, but it seems that when the evidence is as damning as this, that (after a trial) if convicted, the "maximum penalty for such behavior should be worse.
Obviously "innocent until proven guilty", and until then, we don't know if the maximum penalty is warranted, but if it all turns out to be true, it seems someone who is potentially hours (or minutes) away from a mass-murder, with loaded weapons, a written plan, and pieces already in motion should POTENTIALLY get more than five years. No?
BTW, I live in Cary, so very relevant to me. Thank you OP for posting.
The NRA would probably say guns don't kill people, people do, therefore Grimsleys should be banned / regulated, but that highly destructive weapons that were designed to arming groups of people for the most cost effective destruction possible should be left alone because ownership is a constitutional right.
Then a thinking individual might come along and say that until we find a way to clear the gene pool of wacked out Grimsleys and solve the mental (and/or religious) issues that got him there, it's probably going to save some lives to find ways to not let them own weapons that are optimized for jungle combat inside populated cities. Then of course there will be those that disagree, at least until the problem affects them directly; sociopaths are rarely able to emphasize until the problem hits them square in the face.
To be fair, why can we not assume that the Taliban is stocked with Middle Eastern psychos and stop assuming that all the brown folk are out to kill us?
Because, using that logic, we need to assume that all white guys who are in their 20s and 30s are trying to kill us, too.
This American psycho claimed to be a Muslim. Maybe he's not. Maybe he is. Who knows?
I do know that we've had arrests in this area before of guys whiter than me who were working with terror organizations that were very dangerous, so we cannot just assume that when a guy gets arrested after threatening to kill non-Muslims, he's just some one-off type.
Unless we want to assume that ALL terrorists are unlikely to exist here in the US and we are unlikely to be harmed by terrorists.
But, that does not seem to be what people are willing to believe.
Not really worried about the brown folk at all. In the words of Barney Fife in reference to Ernest T Bass, "he's a nut". Nothing to see here other than what it really is. Much more concerned about homegrown USA, crazy and armed.
Whatever they look like, civilians have no sporting need for them and should not be able to own them under any circumstances.
Allowing these to be sold increases the chance of theft from homes and gun stores.
Lol okay. Comments like these make me so thankful our country is now republican controlled. I'm sorry you don't like guns, and I wish you would take the time to understand the people that use them for sporting purposes, which is what 99.9999999% of the owners are.
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Originally Posted by papilgee4evaeva
Are AK-47s not full auto (at least part time)? If not, my mistake.
A real ak47 is full auto. If you go to your nearest gun store and ask for an ak47, you will walk out with an ak style rifle that is semi auto only.
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Originally Posted by route66
Well there are people that think keeping dozens of king cobras and other venomous snakes in their basement in the middle of suburbia is fun, and they can cite the goal of serving their own purpose, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea or should be allowed.
The ak-47 was designed to cheap to make, to be reliable under harsh conditions, and for heavy penetration. It was a great gun for the environments like the jungles of Vietnam because of the climate and other environmental conditions and the need to penetrate foliage in jungle battles.
The characteristics that made it a great gun for that use make it a terrible choice to own or operate in modern urban or suburban environments. It's also a terrible choice for hunting in most environments. The recoil and handling is bested by many other choices. And yes I've fired many AK variants.
As to whether they are "fun", well just ask the typical murderous gang. They will tell you they are lots of fun, because they are destructive as hell, penetrate homes great and make a good choice for drive-by shootings. Guess we can all justify our purposes when we try hard enough.
Murderous gang use and the suitability of the weapon for killing humans (often not even the intended targets) is what gave the gun the bad rap. Not the use of it by Vietcong in the Vietnam war, and not the use of it by Muslim radicals in the middle east.
I don't keep snakes so I can't comment on it. If people want to risk being bit that's their thing. There was a woman that worked for a local university (reptile specialist) that had hundreds of reptiles in her home that sold last year, and the home was shown while they were in there. That included many venomous snakes. Nobody was bit while she owned them or sold the home. Not really sure why snakes were brought up, but I thought this was relevant.
It's a proven fact rifles are used very little by criminals. Please do some research on the stats. Of the hundreds of thousands of ak style rifles there is almost zero crime with them. Want to hear an interesting fact? There are more than 3x as many murders with knives than ALL rifles and ALL shotguns combined That is coming from the FBI in a 2015 study. Should you give up your kitchen knives?
One last thing. I think we can consider Chicago to be one of the highest gang issue cities in the US. It's definitely up there if it's not #1. Here are stats of the most used guns in Chicago by gang members.
Strange I don't see an ar-15 or an ak style rifle in there.....
I've spent a lot of time in the city of Detroit for work, and know many police officers that work there still. Want to take a guess how many criminals or gang members turn up with rifles? I'll give you a hint. It's similar to Chicago. Lets not get emotion mixed up with logic and facts please.
If a civilian wants to own an automatic weapon you need to do the following. Find one for sale that was registered with the federal government before 1986. Go through the ATF and acquire a $200 tax stamp in order to purchase that weapon. It takes on average 9 months in order to get the stamp. Once you have it you can take possession of the gun. Since there is a limited supply of those guns, they sell for a crazy amount of money. A registered piece of a gun that is used to convert a gun to full auto could sell for $25,000+. You think a criminal is going through all this for a full auto gun? Nope.
Have you ever shot a gun full auto? You can rent them at Triangle Shooting academy and they are a ton of fun. They are definitely not more deadly in the hands of a civilian. I can barely keep an mp5 on the paper in full auto, but in semi I can keep small groupings very easily. The rules against machine guns are pretty silly once you actually handle them, and realize you need a very skilled operator to use them efficiently. Gun people understand this because we know better.
Does this gun look like it should be banned?
How about this one?
Isn't it a shame that it takes several paragraphs to explain to people the truth and just one post later they are back to saying the same ignorant thing??
Then a thinking individual might come along and say that until we find a way to clear the gene pool of wacked out Grimsleys and solve the mental (and/or religious) issues that got him there, it's probably going to save some lives to find ways to not let them own weapons that are optimized for jungle combat inside populated cities. Then of course there will be those that disagree, at least until the problem affects them directly; sociopaths are rarely able to emphasize until the problem hits them square in the face.
The proportion of sociopaths in high, decision making positions is much higher than the general public. The public is much safer owning firearms than if only the elites do. You know, the same people who don't think twice about sending hundreds of thousands of undeserving people to their deaths just to take their natural resources...
The "thinking person" should think a little harder..
Wow, he was about to culturally enrich the **** out of some people!
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That is coming from the FBI in a 2015 study. Should you give up your kitchen knives?
