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Originally Posted by lyra33
I think men objectify women just as women project their feelings. There are so many other paradigms that go along with that...gender roles, societal expectations but I do think men tend to get a bad rap for doing what comes natural.
True to an extent, but I wonder what extent we become what we are told we are? The more we're told we're x, the more likely we're going to become x.
I believe on the whole that most men do objectify women to an extent (and women do men, but not to the same extent)...that a woman's value, today in the 21st century, is still based on physical attributes to a greater extent than a man's. Call it biology, call it patriarchy, call it whatever. Obviously, man men select on this basis, so women feel pressured to comply...
my first question then is, do most women feel oppressed by these restrictions? Do some revel in their role as a woman - to be desired.etc? I suppose for most it's a bit of both?
naturally, as long as her name isn't gloria steinem.
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On one hand many women complain about men objectifying women - yet, of course, many women are feeding this, doing it to themselves. They value other women on the basis of looks.etc too..like the immature types might want to be friends with hot, popular women - a certain subset of women, but a mainstream subset nonetheless. Women as a whole still seem so preoccupied with looks. If you tell her she's ugly, it's basically the same as telling her she's a worthless human being. I suppose it's no one's fault: men are wired to like a pretty face, nice breasts or whatever, so maybe it's natural for women to want to play that up, although I think it's definitely gone further than what is natural.
well, have you ever noticed what the women look like who complain? I can't help but to think of an army of trolls or orcs marching through the streets of fresno.
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The main question is, how hard is it to break out of this? To say, I don't care what men like or not like, I'm just going to be myself and not try to please them? How many women are really like this? Not to say you don't try to look good and attractive - well all want to be attractive - but how hard it is to completely divorce yourself from these expectations, and truly not have to value yourself on how you look?
The rating women beauty from 0-10, and this determines her worth as a human being to men. Relegating certain women as girlfriend material and others as booty call material just based on how attractive they are. If a man doesn't think you are attractive enough then he thinks you are only good enough for sex. Or he doesn't want to be seen out in public with you if you don't pass a certain beauty test
Sometimes I think I am better off alone. I really don't like the side of men. Some women just accept this but I can't. It bothers me so much because I have been a victim of this.
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Why do you give immature boys relevancy by posting what they say as representative of mature men? You're not dealing with the brightest bulbs on the planet. Why don't you try quoting men who, I don't know, have an education or read books or have some idea of how a properly functioning human psychology works?
A great place to find men who are interested in a myriad of subjects other than "hitting it" or how they look with their B is an online science forum. These kind of males have deeper interests than obsessing over themselves and their mating exploits. Or get involved in politics. That's another area you won't find dumb guys interested in because it's over their heads. If you have the right interests - usually something intellectual - you'll find that the dumbies disappear from your life.
You get what you put out.
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The rating women beauty from 0-10, and this determines her worth as a human being to men. Relegating certain women as girlfriend material and others as booty call material just based on how attractive they are. If a man doesn't think you are attractive enough then he thinks you are only good enough for sex. Or he doesn't want to be seen out in public with you if you don't pass a certain beauty test
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Okay. First I’d like to address this part because I think you may be taking it a bit out perspective; “The rating women beauty from 0-10, and this determines her worth as a human being to men”. Men do not use a 1-10 scale to determine a woman’s worth as a human being. The 1-10 scale is used to gauge physical appearance and has nothing at all to do with how a man feels about a particular woman’s value to mankind.
Agree and well said.
Also for me personally, without a decent amount of physical attraction to her, she's not initial, date-able material.
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There are so many other paradigms that go along with that...gender roles, societal expectations but I do think men tend to get a bad rap for doing what comes natural.
I don't like how most men think
