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That is true, for me sex is a critical quality of life component and since prostitution is neither affordable or legal that kinda narrows your choices. Making prostitution illegal (which by nature will make it unaffordable because they are taking a risk and competition is lower becuase alot will not do it for fear of prosecution) was the most critical move by feminists, it forces men to grovel in the dating market because they have no other outlet (other than porn which is pretty lame).
If a man could hire a woman to blow him every other day for $20 then he too could hold out, but thats not part of the feminist agenda.
I haven't seen any men groveling. I see men turning women down, I don't see any men groveling. Just saying.
Wouldnt legalization of prostitution compromise womens control over men, why would feminists support that? You would see a whole new dating dynamic if prostituation became both legal AND affordable and that new dynamic would not favor women.
WOMEN DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER MEN. If you think they do, then you're the one ALLOWING women to have control over you. Feminists think prostitution is fine because it's a womans CHOICE to have autonomy over what she does with her body and if she wants to exchange sex for money, that should be her choice and it should be made as safe as possible for her.
Honestly, I don't care if all the men out there go see prostitutes, I don't need a man in my life to be happy and honestly, if a guy ONLY wants sex then he's better off going to a prostitute and I'm better off not having him in my life.
Wouldnt legalization of prostitution compromise womens control over men, why would feminists support that? You would see a whole new dating dynamic if prostituation became both legal AND affordable and that new dynamic would not favor women.
I fully support it. No, it would have nothing to do with control either way, as far as I can see. All it would do would be to protect more women from being used, and allow men freedom of sex. It's all good with me.
The fact that you see it as a control issue may actually say more about you, and/or about the type of women you pick. How about looking for some normal, decent and at least semi well-adjusted women?
I haven't seen any men groveling. I see men turning women down, I don't see any men groveling. Just saying.
There is groveling...from men who try to get the hottest 10% of women and ignore the rest. I get turned down ALL the time and ask men out fairly often. Nobody is groveling at my feet, that's for sure.
There is groveling...from men who try to get the hottest 10% of women and ignore the rest. I get turned down ALL the time and ask men out fairly often. Nobody is groveling at my feet, that's for sure.
Yeah, that is literally the only place I've seen men coming close to groveling.
I fully support it. No, it would have nothing to do with control either way, as far as I can see. All it would do would be to protect more women from being used, and allow men freedom of sex. It's all good with me.
The fact that you see it as a control issue may actually say more about you, and/or about the type of women you pick. How about looking for some normal, decent and at least semi well-adjusted women?
I think I have found one now but it sure would have been nice having access to regular sexual activity instead of getting with my 2 ex's becuase I was horny.
Yep. Because women, for the most part, can have satisfaction in other areas of their lives. I'm perfectly happy staying single because my life is pretty awesome, and a good man would be icing on the cake. Apparently, most men can't do the same.
This is indeed true, but NOT for reasons of sex. Women tend to have support networks, far more so than men. In a culture that's predominantly married, single men are politely distanced, maybe not outright as undesirables, but as peripherals, as less than full members of the community. Single women do have a tougher time than married women, but they generally maintain vibrant networks that at least partially assuage the lack of domestic companionship.
Men, it seems, are more needy of a woman in their lives, to validate themselves as proper men. Women increasingly have less of such a need. I don't condone, much less share, some of the vituperatively misogynistic diatribes by a few fellows made here in recent weeks. But the guys do have a point: something in our culture has reversed itself in the past 50 years. Before then, it was women who felt more of a need for male companionship, to validate themselves as proper women. Now it's the men's turn to crave such validation, whereas women are increasingly quite content to remain single.
People have preferences, and there is nothing you can do to change them. Would I prefer a taller man? Yes. Am I more attracted to men as tall or taller than me? Yes. Is it a deal breaker for a man to be shorter than I am? No. From my experience however, women will easily bend their dealbreakers for a man she has great chemistry with, while a man will overlook physical dealbreakers only long enough to get laid a few times until something better comes along. I've also heard, on multiple occasions, that there are plenty of guys who really fall for a girl but won't become official with her because she's too fat, or ugly and he won't introduce her to his friends or family because his ego is inexplicably tied to what his girlfriend looks like.
I mean, there's a reason my ex boyfriend introduced me as his 'friend' and never touched me (held hands, hugged, kissed etc.) in public. He was embarrassed that his friends would make fun of him and think he's 'less of a man' for dating me. He refused to add me to his Facebook as well, but added his now fiance immediately with a big profile picture of the two of him. She's cute, short and blonde so he's okay with it now. I've never heard of a female friend who has done the same to her boyfriend/husband, but I've heard this more times than I can count from my guy friends. Like I mentioned earlier, guys joke around about 'mopeds' fairly often in my experience.
Bolded is something that I've been trying to say over and over and over again. I KNOW people have their own preferences. That's life. I've already stated that, I'm not owed anything, but, like you, I know it sucks to be looked on as undesirable. I'm guessing most people want to be desirable, but that's not reality. All I'm saying is to just be FAIR, though. It really sucks when we get crapped on for being more "shallow" than women. You're still saying "men are more shallow" only because of your experiences. What about the many women who do the same? You're purposely overlooking that. I even gave you a couple of examples and it seems like you're ignoring it. I can also tell you that I've had guy friends make equally shallow comments about women. Sadly, IT'S. HUMAN. NATURE. People suck.
Bottom line, there is no definite way to measure "who is more shallow", so let's just call it an equal draw (like I've been trying to do)...otherwise it's just an argument to nowhere. Women and men are the same.
This is indeed true, but NOT for reasons of sex. Women tend to have support networks, far more so than men. In a culture that's predominantly married, single men are politely distanced, maybe not outright as undesirables, but as peripherals, as less than full members of the community. Single women do have a tougher time than married women, but they generally maintain vibrant networks that at least partially assuage the lack of domestic companionship.
Men, it seems, are more needy of a woman in their lives, to validate themselves as proper men. Women increasingly have less of such a need. I don't condone, much less share, some of the vituperatively misogynistic diatribes by a few fellows made here in recent weeks. But the guys do have a point: something in our culture has reversed itself in the past 50 years. Before then, it was women who felt more of a need for male companionship, to validate themselves as proper women. Now it's the men's turn to crave such validation, whereas women are increasingly quite content to remain single.
This is an excellent point. Well, many points
I think men do have it a bit harder in that respect because they really aren't allowed to have those social networks like women do, but it's NOT because of women. It's because of other men not being able to reach out and have other male friends or even have female friends without wanting to sleep with them, or seeing them as inferior. Heaven forbid they hang out with men and are thought of by other men as gay, or too feminine for actually expressive their own feelings. I think some of it comes from not wanting to be thought of as too 'feminine' because they see women as completely inferior and not something they'd want to be compared to which is a shame...because women are pretty cool.
I think women craved male companionship because that's all that was allowed at that time. A woman who wasn't married was basically shunned by her community as a spinster. Now that we don't have to worry about that anymore, it's interesting that more and more women are choosing not to participate and I think that makes a lot of men very angry. They were promised a hot wife that would take care of all the drudgery of everyday life and now that woman is saying 'meh' to it all and choosing to live her life instead. We've broken a social construct and they're simply NOT happy about it.
Bolded is something that I've been trying to say over and over and over again. I KNOW people have their own preferences. That's life. I've already stated that, I'm not owed anything, but, like you, I know it sucks to be looked on as undesirable. I'm guessing most people want to be desirable, but that's not reality. All I'm saying is to just be FAIR, though. It really sucks when we get crapped on for being more "shallow" than women. You're still saying "men are more shallow" only because of your experiences. What about the many women who do the same? You're purposely overlooking that. I even gave you a couple of examples and it seems like you're ignoring it. I can also tell you that I've had guy friends make equally shallow comments about women. Sadly, IT'S. HUMAN. NATURE. People suck.
Bottom line, there is no definite way to measure "who is more shallow", so let's just call it an equal draw (like I've been trying to do)...otherwise it's just an argument to nowhere. Women and men are the same.
Eh, it used to bother me but I've come to the realization that for some people it's just not going to happen. Love, marriage, children etc. just isn't in the cards for everyone and I happen to be one of the unlucky ones.
I have no doubts that you know women who make shallow comments, I've met a few women who do the same, but it's nowhere NEAR the anger, vitriol or commonality of the men I've known. I mean, it completely pales in comparison. I'm a part of a few 'feminist' leaning message boards/discussion groups and they are in no way comparable to sites like MGTOW or MRA stuff. I RARELY hear women bashing men's looks but they're constantly picked apart by the men's boards. If you want some links I'll be glad to PM them to you.
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