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The only down side is once guys hit about 50 there is no going back where as women have their late 20s early 30s to look forward too when guys are still fairly horny.
By the time a guy hits 50 there is no more horny time. I would say in reality its early 40's unless you are some kind of sponsored athlete and in incredible shape.
I don't know if early 40's women are happy about that or not.
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Originally Posted by Ms.Mathlete
Definitely. I get that at that age their hormones are flying, and for most it's not really about "using" girls... but they're not at a point in life where sex is reciprocal.
I think she was around 21 or 22, something like that.
Which is still very young. I'll admit I was amused by Chris Rock's take on the situation in his "Bigger and Blacker" stand up routine when he said that Hillary Clinton, being the first lady, should've been the first one to uh...take care of Bill's needs and Monica shouldn't have stood a chance. lol Of course, Hillary may very well have been doing her best to satisfy Bill, but you know some of these men are never satisfied (that's my mom talking).
The only down side is once guys hit about 50 there is no going back where as women have their late 20s early 30s to look forward too when guys are still fairly horny.
By the time a guy hits 50 there is no more horny time. I would say in reality its early 40's unless you are some kind of sponsored athlete and in incredible shape.
I don't know if early 40's women are happy about that or not.
As long as he's not too shy to talk to his doctor about Viagra or Cialis . Other wise, I might be prone to vexation and unpleasantness.
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Originally Posted by Sweet Like Sugar
Which is still very young. I'll admit I was amused by Chris Rock's take on the situation in his "Bigger and Blacker" stand up routine when he said that Hillary Clinton, being the first lady, should've been the first one to uh...take care of Bill's needs and Monica shouldn't have stood a chance. lol Of course, Hillary may very well have been doing her best to satisfy Bill, but you know some of these men are never satisfied (that's my mom talking).
Affairs with young interns are rampant in DC, but him being the most powerful man in the world... I can't imagine too many girls at that age would pass up the chance to bang him at that time.
I'm starting this thread to share a few personal and familiar experiences related to how women are raised to think about sex, and to shed some light on why some women are boring or inactive bed, despite being cute and smart and everything else the guys may be looking for. My guess is that more women can relate to this, and I hope those who do will share their views as well. The benefit of this thread is that guys may realize that they are not doing it wrong- it's just that we, women, are sometimes too inhibited. But things can be changed, and for a start that can be done by stopping sl*t-shaming and by raising your daughters without the idea that wanting sex is bad.
I grew up in a traditionally-conservative-religious family in Eastern Europe. When watching a movie, my parents would tell my sister and I to close our eyes when there was a kissing scene; if there was any sex involved, they changed the channel. When I reached puberty my mother told me that all guys are looking for is to sleep with girls, and I should not let any of the guys from school touch me in any way and should not get involved in any conversations that can turn "naughty". I was one of the first girls in my class to wear a bra, and the first day I had to wear it at school I wanted to hide somewhere out of shame. When I had my periods at school the cramps hurt like a mother-f*cker and on the days I forgot to bring pain killers with me I had to man up and suffer through, while sweating, feeling nauseous and getting pale, but i could not excuse myself because I would have had to explain why, and i would have rather died than admit to anyone, especially the male teachers why i was feeling like crap. My mother and grandmother filled my head with stories about girls who allowed guys too closely and then got pregnant, or not, but they had the reputation of whores, and normal girls don't do that. Of course there was brain picking about how pre-marital sex is the worst sin ever. In fact, even after marriage sex was to make babies only, and if you had a horny husband, poor you, you'll have to suck it up and fulfill your wifely duties once in a while. Women in my family would proudly tell each other that no, unlike their dirty pig husbands, sex is not a need for them; instead they have much more angelic interests- tending to children, decorating the house and cooking meals. But once in a while their husbands won't take no for an answer, and then they had to suffer through it. There were examples of women who dressed more provocatively, and some even slept with guys they weren't married to - and oh my god, what sluts! they will never find a husband or true love because who wants a woman like that?! this is of course an extreme example, but it's a real life one.
When I came to the US I thought i was in the land of the free. I bought my first mini skirt here, and i was looking forward to more liberal thinking. Only to find out that to a degree or another women here were similarly oppressed in exploring and embracing their sexuality. Monica Lewinsky gave head- what a wh*re! "Lose weight so all men will want you" articles (because if you are not size Zero you are not good enough to be wanted). The 7 grade nerd slept with a senior football player- ugly sl*t, she's so desperate she'll give it to anyone else, let's line up! I am sure there are more examples like that, and maybe others can contribute.
I am by no means a feminist, but i think being sexual should be a universal right, despite one's gender. Most will agree, I guess, but then the same people who agree will turn around and sl*t shame some girl they know; or they raise their daughters with the idea that boys want sex, masturbate and watch porn (but girls don't). Then these daughters turn into the women you date and marry. For some having sex for the first time is such a big deal that they won't leave that guy, even if he turns out to be an a**whole. Some are ashamed to enjoy sex as a natural thing, and when they are with a guy, they get drunk or high, because otherwise they'd be too inhibited to do anything. Others just lay there like a piece of wood, and then their boyfriends/husbands complain.
Each day I challenge myself to not give a rat's a** what anyone thinks and just go for what I like, and from than comes confidence and the freedom to voice enjoyment, and courage to initiate and to explore new things and to say what i like and what i don't. It took me ten years to get here though; i wish i was wild and free when i was twenty- that would have been a lot more fun for myself and for my boyfriend at the time.
Of course parents don't want their daughters to end up hurt, or pregnant when a teenager, or with an STD. In which case these are exactly the topics that should be covered in sex ed: how to have physically and emotionally safe sex, not how sex is bad altogether, especially if you are a girl. Bring on "but the Bible says" arguments, I dare you.
I'm not really concerned about these types of topics, but will add this: the approach that if someone isn't 'throwing it around everywhere' it must be about 'shame' is manipulation.
There are other reasons women 'choose to not' live like tramps, and/or do not raise daughters to be promiscuous.
As one example, there's a huge difference between 'shame' and 'self-respect.'
I have wondered about that, when they have those Viagra commercials at the very end that is a laundry list of potential side effects and if you have any sort of heart condition at all you cant take them. I wonder how many men take them very often in reality as opposed to just the idea of it. I don't think I would ever want to take a single pharmaceuticals with all of the side effects .... including death lol.
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Originally Posted by Ms.Mathlete
As long as he's not too shy to talk to his doctor about Viagra or Cialis . Other wise, I might be prone to vexation and unpleasantness.
Affairs with young interns are rampant in DC, but him being the most powerful man in the world... I can't imagine too many girls at that age would pass up the chance to bang him at that time.
I never was. My mother feels sex is perfectly natural, and nothing dirty about it. However, we didn't talk too much about it because she was a bit shame-faced with it. TMI type of thing. So she doesn't see anything dirty, but prefers not to talk about it. lol
So I usually talked about sex, in detail with my grandmother - maternal. She's a Christian woman, but never mentioned sex being dirty. And she had a good bit of it when she was younger, and outside of marriage. She's always stated it's natural to want sex, and desire men, as a woman. She's pretty open.
I told her once that I tend to be attracted to older men. She commented nothing was wrong with it, and that an older man would probably treat a young girl better than some of the guys their age. She stated if I seriously dated a much older man, the only concern was sex. Like if I am 45, and my SO is 70, he may not be able to sexual satisfy me like he could years ago, which can cause a problem. But otherwise, she apparently wouldn't bat an eye if I dated a guy 15+ years my senior if I was happy with him, and he seemed like a decent man.
I have wondered about that, when they have those Viagra commercials at the very end that is a laundry list of potential side effects and if you have any sort of heart condition at all you cant take them. I wonder how many men take them very often in reality as opposed to just the idea of it. I don't think I would ever want to take a single pharmaceuticals with all of the side effects .... including death lol.
Quite a few of the Mr's friends who are 45+ take it without incident. It's important to keep in mind that the manufacture is required to list every adverse event reported, even those that aren't even tangentially related to the product. Like any other medication you have to weight the risks against the benefits; many decide that the statistically small risk of side effects pale in comparison to not being able to have sex.
I'm starting this thread to share a few personal and familiar experiences related to how women are raised to think about sex, and to shed some light on why some women are boring or inactive bed, despite being cute and smart and everything else the guys may be looking for. My guess is that more women can relate to this, and I hope those who do will share their views as well. The benefit of this thread is that guys may realize that they are not doing it wrong- it's just that we, women, are sometimes too inhibited. But things can be changed, and for a start that can be done by stopping sl*t-shaming and by raising your daughters without the idea that wanting sex is bad.
I grew up in a traditionally-conservative-religious family in Eastern Europe. When watching a movie, my parents would tell my sister and I to close our eyes when there was a kissing scene; if there was any sex involved, they changed the channel. When I reached puberty my mother told me that all guys are looking for is to sleep with girls, and I should not let any of the guys from school touch me in any way and should not get involved in any conversations that can turn "naughty". I was one of the first girls in my class to wear a bra, and the first day I had to wear it at school I wanted to hide somewhere out of shame. When I had my periods at school the cramps hurt like a mother-f*cker and on the days I forgot to bring pain killers with me I had to man up and suffer through, while sweating, feeling nauseous and getting pale, but i could not excuse myself because I would have had to explain why, and i would have rather died than admit to anyone, especially the male teachers why i was feeling like crap. My mother and grandmother filled my head with stories about girls who allowed guys too closely and then got pregnant, or not, but they had the reputation of whores, and normal girls don't do that. Of course there was brain picking about how pre-marital sex is the worst sin ever. In fact, even after marriage sex was to make babies only, and if you had a horny husband, poor you, you'll have to suck it up and fulfill your wifely duties once in a while. Women in my family would proudly tell each other that no, unlike their dirty pig husbands, sex is not a need for them; instead they have much more angelic interests- tending to children, decorating the house and cooking meals. But once in a while their husbands won't take no for an answer, and then they had to suffer through it. There were examples of women who dressed more provocatively, and some even slept with guys they weren't married to - and oh my god, what sluts! they will never find a husband or true love because who wants a woman like that?! this is of course an extreme example, but it's a real life one.
When I came to the US I thought i was in the land of the free. I bought my first mini skirt here, and i was looking forward to more liberal thinking. Only to find out that to a degree or another women here were similarly oppressed in exploring and embracing their sexuality. Monica Lewinsky gave head- what a wh*re! "Lose weight so all men will want you" articles (because if you are not size Zero you are not good enough to be wanted). The 7 grade nerd slept with a senior football player- ugly sl*t, she's so desperate she'll give it to anyone else, let's line up! I am sure there are more examples like that, and maybe others can contribute.
I am by no means a feminist, but i think being sexual should be a universal right, despite one's gender. Most will agree, I guess, but then the same people who agree will turn around and sl*t shame some girl they know; or they raise their daughters with the idea that boys want sex, masturbate and watch porn (but girls don't). Then these daughters turn into the women you date and marry. For some having sex for the first time is such a big deal that they won't leave that guy, even if he turns out to be an a**whole. Some are ashamed to enjoy sex as a natural thing, and when they are with a guy, they get drunk or high, because otherwise they'd be too inhibited to do anything. Others just lay there like a piece of wood, and then their boyfriends/husbands complain.
Each day I challenge myself to not give a rat's a** what anyone thinks and just go for what I like, and from than comes confidence and the freedom to voice enjoyment, and courage to initiate and to explore new things and to say what i like and what i don't. It took me ten years to get here though; i wish i was wild and free when i was twenty- that would have been a lot more fun for myself and for my boyfriend at the time.
Of course parents don't want their daughters to end up hurt, or pregnant when a teenager, or with an STD. In which case these are exactly the topics that should be covered in sex ed: how to have physically and emotionally safe sex, not how sex is bad altogether, especially if you are a girl. Bring on "but the Bible says" arguments, I dare you.
The truth is you do not have a clue about every woman on the planet and how they were raised in regards to anything.
Your entire paragraph is merely your opinion............Prove me wrong .............. I dare you.
I'm not really concerned about these types of topics, but will add this: the approach that if someone isn't 'throwing it around everywhere' it must be about 'shame' is manipulation.
There are other reasons women 'choose to not' live like tramps, and/or do not raise daughters to be promiscuous.
As one example, there's a huge difference between 'shame' and 'self-respect.'
I agree! I was never shamed or felt shameful regarding sex however I have always placed a high value on myself and was taught early that sex at the end of the day means nothing to a man. So don't expect anything substantial to come from it, do it because that's what you want to do. Nothing more nothing less. I did not want to sleep around and I didn't sleep with every guy I dated. Those that I wanted to have sex with I did but I never allowed anyone to make me feel bad about not "putting out". However just because a guy found me attractive didn't make me flattered and feel as though I had to give him sex so he would continue to like me or want a relationship. If he had a problem with me not wanting to have sex then oh well. A lot of girls tie their self esteem into how men view them so it's easy to fall into the trap of thinking you need to be outwardly expressive sexually when in reality a man is not going to care any more or less about you whether he has sex with you or not.
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. Other wise, I might be prone to vexation and unpleasantness.
