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Actions? he killed to get his way, nothing different than what religions have been doing since it's inception.
HE BELIEVED he was Christian, the CATHOLIC CHURCH helped put him in power.
I'm not an expert, but I have a degree in history and did take a class on the Holocaust. People who blame Catholicism for the Nazis or the Holocaust are telling us something about their own biases, but they aren't telling us about history.
The Nazis did worse in the Catholic areas of Germany than in the Protestant ones. The Concordat occurred after the Nazis were in power, it didn't put them in power. Nor did it mean the regime was pro-Catholic. The eugenics and euthanasia programs clearly went against Catholicism. Nazi racism does not fit Catholicism at all and was condemned by it.
Once in power German Catholics embraced Nazism as much as everyone else did, but German Catholics aren't all Catholics or Catholicism. Dutch Catholics were mostly very anti-Nazi. Pope Pius XI criticized Nazism in Mitt Brenender Sorge (sp?). Although I'd grant Croatian Catholics were in many ways more Nazi than German Catholics. Anyway even in Germany there were moments of strain as German Catholics opposed the euthanasia program on disabled and some members of "Catholic Action" were killed in a purge.
After the Concordat there was certainly Catholic support for Nazis in Germany. There was also acquiescence as many Catholics of the era believed you had to accept who was in power and not revolt against them. (The French Revolution had really effected Catholics) However the majority of Nazi support came from Protestants and non-religious. The Nazis also found Catholicism difficult in that you could not run it from Berlin like you could the "Protestant Reich Church" or others.
Also that you can find historians who believe what you say proves much less than you want to believe. You can find historians with credible degrees who believe in all kinds of nonsense. I imagine my being Catholic just gives you an "easy out" to dismiss me, but I'm confident if you look at mainstream academic work on the Nazis you'll see I'm more right than you.
I'm not an expert, but I have a degree in history and did take a class on the Holocaust. People who blame Catholicism for the Nazis or the Holocaust are telling us something about their own biases, but they aren't telling us about history.
The Nazis did worse in the Catholic areas of Germany than in the Protestant ones. The Concordat occurred after the Nazis were in power, it didn't put them in power. Nor did it mean the regime was pro-Catholic. The eugenics and euthanasia programs clearly went against Catholicism. Nazi racism does not fit Catholicism at all and was condemned by it.
Once in power German Catholics embraced Nazism as much as everyone else did, but German Catholics aren't all Catholics or Catholicism. Dutch Catholics were mostly very anti-Nazi. Pope Pius XI criticized Nazism in Mitt Brenender Sorge (sp?). Although I'd grant Croatian Catholics were in many ways more Nazi than German Catholics. Anyway even in Germany there were moments of strain as German Catholics opposed the euthanasia program on disabled and some members of "Catholic Action" were killed in a purge.
After the Concordat there was certainly Catholic support for Nazis in Germany. There was also acquiescence as many Catholics of the era believed you had to accept who was in power and not revolt against them. (The French Revolution had really effected Catholics) However the majority of Nazi support came from Protestants and non-religious. The Nazis also found Catholicism difficult in that you could not run it from Berlin like you could the "Protestant Reich Church" or others.
Also that you can find historians who believe what you say proves much less than you want to believe. You can find historians with credible degrees who believe in all kinds of nonsense. I imagine my being Catholic just gives you an "easy out" to dismiss me, but I'm confident if you look at mainstream academic work on the Nazis you'll see I'm more right than you.
The fact I am looking at mainstream information, shows me more right than you, as most of what I posted has been from the recent decade or so. The fact that you and others dismiss the role the Church played in his coming to power and their deafening silence during and after speaks volumes. I have done more than just a history class on the subject as well. I have first hand accounts and investigated more recent information that came to light on their role. Certainly I have never said that the Catholics we responsible for the Nazis, I stated they played a part in bringing him to power. It is all in black and white. Information is everywhere and due to family issues I have done more than just a little research on the subject.
I'm not an expert, but I have a degree in history and did take a class on the Holocaust. People who blame Catholicism for the Nazis or the Holocaust are telling us something about their own biases, but they aren't telling us about history.
Fer cryin' baby jesus, nobody here is saying that Catholicism is responsible for the holocaust.
What we ARE saying is that the Catholic church collaborated with them and didn't oppose them for several years, and that they should take responsibility for those evil actions perpetrated in the name of a supposedly loving god.
The fact I am looking at mainstream information, shows me more right than you, as most of what I posted has been from the recent decade or so. The fact that you and others dismiss the role the Church played in his coming to power and their deafening silence during and after speaks volumes. I have done more than just a history class on the subject as well. I have first hand accounts and investigated more recent information that came to light on their role. Certainly I have never said that the Catholics we responsible for the Nazis, I stated they played a part in bringing him to power. It is all in black and white. Information is everywhere and due to family issues I have done more than just a little research on the subject.
I believe in the truth, I have no problem with it. If the truth was they had no part in it I would say so. I have no agenda and nothing to protect or defend.
What in hell does this have to do with anything here. Fox news, yea ok.
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