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In the creation myths which were preserved by the Aztec and other Nahua peoples, the central tenet was that there had been four worlds, or "Suns", previous to the present universe. These earlier worlds and their inhabitants had been created, then destroyed by the catastrophic action of leading deity figures. The present world is the fifth sun
That kind of alludes to the theory that the universe is in a continual expansion and collapsing state or 'Elastic State'...When everything gets to the extreme stretch it will then rebound and everthing will come smashing back together again causing another big bang which will blow everything out again into expansion...The cycle repeats itself over and over again...
..The old 'Pass it along' game?...By the time the story gets to the last person and depending on how many people it was pass along to it gets added to, taken away from, changed, embellished, etc., to the point that it doesn't even resemble or barely resembles the original story...
The world-wide flood is not a "pass it along game" but was written mostly of eye-witness accounts. The other cultures may have passed the story on down.
Neither is the world-wide flood a local flood just at the black sea. Just because one can find villages under that sea does not disprove a world-wide flood. It doesn't make sense that Noah would take a hundred years to build an aircraft carrier size ship if only the black sea was going to get flooded. He could have just mosied along out of the area with the animals if that were the case.
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The world-wide flood is not a "pass it along game" but was written mostly of eye-witness accounts. The other cultures may have passed the story on down.
Neither is the world-wide flood a local flood just at the black sea. Just because one can find villages under that sea does not disprove a world-wide flood. It doesn't make sense that Noah would take a hundred years to build an aircraft carrier size ship if only the black sea was going to get flooded. He could have just mosied along out of the area with the animals if that were the case.
I guess my problem with the Noahic story is that it's so darn Hebrew centric. It implies we all descended from Hebrews, or people with Hebrew names, at least. If we all descended from Noah a merely 4000 years ago, why don't we all look like Jews?
Yes...long before any alleged flood! You seem surprised.
I was bewildered by messages I received about the Jews and the Pyramids, and I wrote: "When I wrote "Black Jews?" I was referring to the argument as to whether the slaves who actually built the Pyramids were black Jews". We must thank Ed Jajko for setting the record straight, and we vow never to fall for this duck again (I suppose "canard" refers to ducks' habit of quacking mindlessly). Ed writes:
"This bit of accepted wisdom, that "...the Pyramids [were] built by slaves who were Jews.." (as stated in your message of 1 September), is a canard that does not deserve repetition. First, it is anachronistic and illogical. The "Pyramids" -- presumably the three great pyramids of Gizah and perhaps the earlier pyramids to the south, including the Step Pyramid of Sakkara -- were built in the Third and Fourth Dynasties, 2650-2575 BC and 2575-2467 BC. The Jews did not exist at that time. The ancestors of the Jews, the Hebrews or "Children of Israel" -- Bene Yisra'el -- did not enter Egypt until centuries later. If one looks at the biblical narrative, Joseph, son of Jacob aka Israel, who brought the people of Israel into Egypt to settle in the land of Goshen, was driven in a chariot just behind Pharaoh's. The Egyptians did not have the wheel when the great pyramids were built. By the time the Egyptians had wheels, and horses and chariots, the great pyramids were ancient. Even if one were to determine that the migration of the Sumerian/Chaldean Abraham from the Sumerian city of Ur to the land of the Canaanites took place around the predynastic or early dynastic periods of ancient Egypt, there would still have been no Jews in Egypt at the time -- or anywhere else for that matter. Second, recent scholarship on ancient Egypt has suggested -- concluded, perhaps -- that the pyramids were built by corvees of native Egyptians and undoubtedly of slaves as well, conscripted into temporary service on the pyramids, probably during the flood season when their labor on the farm could be spared. Those who were not actually slaves through warfare or other reasons were subjects of Pharaoh who were made to give their time and effort to a great national cause. Managing these labor gangs were professional craftsmen whose villages near the pyramids have been under excavation and study".
[SIZE=3]Ronald Hilton - 9/6/01[/SIZE] - EGYPT: Who built the Pyramids? Scientific Evidence for a Worldwide Flood
I guess my problem with the Noahic story is that it's so darn Hebrew centric. It implies we all descended from Hebrews, or people with Hebrew names, at least. If we all descended from Noah a merely 4000 years ago, why don't we all look like Jews?
It has been almost 7 thousand years since the flood of Noah if we take 4,900 BC for the flood, add 2012 to that number and you get almost 7,000. Why all the different languages? Because at one time there was one continent, Pangea with one language. After the flood at the tower of Babel God gave the people different languages and then the nations split into what we have today.
The world-wide flood is not a "pass it along game" but was written mostly of eye-witness accounts. The other cultures may have passed the story on down.
Neither is the world-wide flood a local flood just at the black sea. Just because one can find villages under that sea does not disprove a world-wide flood. It doesn't make sense that Noah would take a hundred years to build an aircraft carrier size ship if only the black sea was going to get flooded. He could have just mosied along out of the area with the animals if that were the case.
The original flood story was written in Mesopotamia and predates the Bible's hand-me-down version by millenia. The characters of Noah or Bible god hadn't even been created then. So the whole discussion is moot.
And of course, it doesn't make sense that Noah built a ship of that size in 100 years or for any reason. He and his sons wouldn't have been able to build such a vessel themselves and if they had help, it would have been completed much sooner - and that's assuming they had enough lumber and SKILLED shipbuilders on hand which isn't bloody likely at that time and in that area. Wooden vessels of that size are also simply not feasible or seaworthy and in 100 years, the earlier constructed parts of it would have begun to rot already.
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It has been almost 7 thousand years since the flood of Noah if we take 4,900 BC for the flood, add 2012 to that number and you get almost 7,000. Why all the different languages? Because at one time there was one continent, Pangea with one language. After the flood at the tower of Babel God gave the people different languages and then the nations split into what we have today.
I wasn't talking about languages I was talking about genetic diversity. If biologists are right it takes at least a couple of thousand years for any change in appearance. Apparently, it takes tens of thousands of years for different 'races' to develop.
Not only was it not a made up story but the Ark was also located and known to have existed even in the days of Flavis Josephus when he wrote about an account of it.
Of course God knew the whole world was inundated with the world-wide flood. Back then most likely there was just one continent called Pangea.
It is really quite simple. Sink the continent on it's plate and rise the sea levels.
The internal evidence does not support a local flood. For instance, the Mesopotamian valley which Noah was in was only about 200 miles wide by about 400 miles long. He could have just gone with all the animals for about 20 days journey over the valley wall to the east to escape the flood. Instead he took 100 years to build a ship the size of a WWII aircraft carrier.
Gen 10:25 And two sons were born to Eber; the name of the one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.
Gen 10:32 These were the families of the sons of Noah, by their generations, in their nations. And from these the nations were divided in the earth after the flood.
Two different events....
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