Trying to understand the meaning of "God's plan" (myth, atheist)
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The idea that there is a "God's Plan" and the concept of "free will" are mutually exclusive.
Since God apparently fulfills "prophecies" then that further indicates that there is no such thing as "free will" as "free will" could muck up God's "prophecies."
Unfortunately logic has no real place in the mind of a believer,
Nice post Eddie. But I would say "logic has no real place in the minds of **some** believers." Otherwise it is an overstatement.
Nice post Eddie. But I would say "logic has no real place in the minds of **some** believers." Otherwise it is an overstatement.
Believing in Biblegod is not logical. That is why it requires "faith". Faith in and of it'self is a bizarre construct because basically it is believe without evidence.
I will grant you that believers may not be illogical in terms of other areas of their life. For instance MOST believers realize that it is dangerous to handle poisonious snakes. But not all of them.
Believing in Biblegod is not logical. That is why it requires "faith". Faith in and of it'self is a bizarre construct because basically it is believe without evidence.
I will grant you that believers may not be illogical in terms of other areas of their life. For instance MOST believers realize that it is dangerous to handle poisonious snakes. But not all of them.
There are quite a few Bible commentaries which use logic. Go to Concordant.org and read some of the writings of James Coram and see how logic inheres within what he writes.
The idea that there is a "God's Plan" and the concept of "free will" are mutually exclusive.
Since God apparently fulfills "prophecies" then that further indicates that there is no such thing as "free will" as "free will" could muck up God's "prophecies."
Unfortunately logic has no real place in the mind of a believer,
This is on the reasons I could never be a true believer. If instead God had, say, God's Desire, or God's Hope, then maybe I could get on board. But the notion that God has an infallible plan basically negates our existence. It turns us all into puppets, and any conception of the universe where we exist as nothing but puppets is one not worth considering.
This is on the reasons I could never be a true believer. If instead God had, say, God's Desire, or God's Hope, then maybe I could get on board. But the notion that God has an infallible plan basically negates our existence. It turns us all into puppets, and any conception of the universe where we exist as nothing but puppets is one not worth considering.
It's much worse than being puppets. Rather, the bible says we are clay pots fashioned by the Potter for a very specific function.
Romans 9:19-23 You will be protesting to me, then, "Why, then, is He still blaming? for who has withstood
His intention? (20) O man! who are you, to be sure, who are answering again to God? That which is
molded will not protest to the molder, "Why do you make me thus? (21) Or has not the potter the right
over the clay, out of the same kneading to make one vessel, indeed, for honor, yet one for dishonor? (22)
Now if God, wanting to display His indignation and to make His powerful doings known, carries, with much
patience, the vessels of indignation, adapted for destruction, (23) it is that He should also be making
known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He makes ready before for glory -"
But please don't stop there; go to Romans 11:32 for "the rest of the story," one with a glorious end for all.
It's much worse than being puppets. Rather, the bible says we are clay pots fashioned by the Potter for a very specific function.
Romans 9:19-23 You will be protesting to me, then, "Why, then, is He still blaming? for who has withstood
His intention? (20) O man! who are you, to be sure, who are answering again to God? That which is
molded will not protest to the molder, "Why do you make me thus? (21) Or has not the potter the right
over the clay, out of the same kneading to make one vessel, indeed, for honor, yet one for dishonor? (22)
Now if God, wanting to display His indignation and to make His powerful doings known, carries, with much
patience, the vessels of indignation, adapted for destruction, (23) it is that He should also be making
known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He makes ready before for glory -"
But please don't stop there; go to Romans 11:32 for "the rest of the story," one with a glorious end for all.
So, so gross. I still hold the opinion that any notion of the universe wherein we are mere puppets/clay pots would require an inherently evil god, or at best, a needlessly cruel one.
So, so gross. I still hold the opinion that any notion of the universe wherein we are mere puppets/clay pots would require an inherently evil god, or at best, a needlessly cruel one.
But hey, to each his own.
O.K. tell me what you are free to do. Are people free to quit smoking cigarettes?
O.K. tell me what you are free to do. Are people free to quit smoking cigarettes?
Absolutely, as I believe in free will, unencumbered by the will of some deity. Whether one succeeds at quitting smoking is entirely up to that person. Maybe he or she can quit on his or her own. Maybe he or she needs a support group or medicinal help.
But in the end, the result is based on our actions. No puppetry needed.
So, are you saying that DOWN did not exist, but God created UP, and then had to create DOWN in opposition to it, so people (aka His Children) could experience UP? God created darkness, so people could see what His light was like? God created Slow so people could see what Fast was like? God created Square so people could see what Round was like? God created Crooked, so people could see what Straight was like? God created Inorganic so people could see what Organic was like? God created Stupid (aka His Children), so people could see what Smart was like?
I am saying what I said and its quite clear. The plan of salvation was not possible without evil being included; listen, once God has done something- it couldnot have been done in a better way; God included evil into our experience, so evil is just as important as good in his plans; that must be understood.
here is God's plan. life, truth and love.
here is not god's plan, sickness sin and death
In the Bible God ordered murder, slavery, and rape. I don't consider these either life, truth, or love, but closer to sickness, sin, and death.
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