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You seem to really want this whole discussion to be about something is wrong with homosexuals. They have a brain defect. They have a mental issue. You've come thisclose to saying it in numerous posts.
There is nothing wrong with them. They are human beings made, and loved, by God.
Remember now...we can't bring religion into this discussion. That would be wrong. Or at least I've been told that....
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If you see something wrong with them, if you think they are lesser beings I suggest a long walk and some reflection on why you seem to think God made a mistake.
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All of which, plus a dollar, will get you a small coffee at a greasy spoon.
But it says nothing, nada, zip, zilch, about becoming an authority on sexual orientation.
You still don't understand, here is the REAL DEAL: When it comes to the porn industry...a small bit, plus a dollar, buys all the coffee at all the greasy spoons...and all the greasy spoons too!!
You know what you know in/through your field of expertise...I know what I know in/through my field of expertise.
Knowledge of the "predilections" of the consumers is key to successful marketing...in any industry.
Purport that those in a ultra successful industry (for instance: the music industry) don't know the "orientation" of the preferences of the consumers of their products. Then you will know how wrong that statement is.
The issue is...you don't think homosexuality is a choice. I know it is a choice...like every other fetish anyone chooses to indulge in.
We focus on that particular preference quite heavily, so as to more successfully develop and market products to that market segment. It comprises a sizable segment...and also "crosses over". Bi & homo are pretty compatible...purebreed hetero is more proprietary. Homo is big business in the porn industry.
You are like the Fundie Literalists telling the experts in the field of evolution that they don't know what they are talking about.
You are basing everything on what you think you know...I've been studying the "orientation" of the sexual preferences of the masses every day for almost three decades.
Simple. Years of having gays and lesbians as friends. Some of us aren't afraid of them. Or full of baloney from some guy in a pulpit, or on a street corner, or a web site telling everyone that what he is trying to sell is right and that your gut instinct about a friend is wrong.
Free advice: Leave the molestation/pedophilia malarkey out of discussions about gays and lesbians. It's about as appropriate as bringing molestation into discussions about pastors.
Simple. Years of having gays and lesbians as friends. Some of us aren't afraid of them. Or full of baloney from some guy in a pulpit, or on a street corner, or a web site telling everyone that what he is trying to sell is right and that your gut instinct about a friend is wrong.
So you're deciding truth based off your personal experiences. Sorry...I haven't had your experiences.
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Free advice: Leave the molestation/pedophilia malarkey out of discussions about gays and lesbians. It's about as appropriate as bringing molestation into discussions about pastors.
How so? You're saying that homosexuals are born with a deviant sexual preference. So are pedophiles. The difference is that gay people are the darlings of society at the moment.
You seem to really want this whole discussion to be about something is wrong with homosexuals. They have a brain defect. They have a mental issue. You've come thisclose to saying it in numerous posts.
What if s/he is right?
What if homosexuals do have a brain defect? What if it is a mental disorder? What if it is both, meaning what if it really is a brain [biological] defect for some homosexuals, but for other homosexuals it is purely a mental disorder and not predicated on any biological defect?
Don't you want to know the Truth? I do. I wouldn't accept anything less, but obviously under the current climate, legitimate untainted research is impossible....so I guess we'll never know.
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There is nothing wrong with them.
As far as you know.
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They are human beings made, and loved, by God.
That wouldn't be possible, since there is no god. However, if there would be gods -- like in the OT/NT --- then I'd be very afraid for them if I would be you.
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If you see something wrong with them,..
I do, actually.
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That's been said Viz.
It was listed for years in the APA's DSM as a mental disorder.
I don't think it is...but some still think so...
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Originally Posted by DSS94
Not according to mainstream psychology. But **** expertise, right?
It hasn't been ruled out. And there is a substantial and significant amount of evidence suggesting it was removed from the DSM for political reasons, not reasons of science.
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That doesn't mean that everyone who has that different development has a mental disorder.
If only your Red Herring would be relevant...
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Originally Posted by mensaguy
Actually, he never said anything about an anomaly. He just said that brains develop in different ways in utero. Different does not mean damaged.
And if mass murderers and rapists develop in utero, then what?
The thing about maintaining a philosophy is to be consistent in its application. You're the mensaguy, you should know that.
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Just like heterosexual orientation is a brain issue.
Heterosexual orientation? You're not pining for the annual C-D Göbbels Award, are you?
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No major assumptions needed. Just evidence-based knowledge.
It's only science if you can replicate it.
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I think that the homos should get off this "I was born this way" mantra.
It's the only thing they've got.....what did you expect?
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So when did you decide to be heterosexual?
That's irrelevant.
You need only to observe Nature and study the fossil record to see that every species on Earth has one and only one function: to procreate.
Homosexuality is anathema to life.
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ClarkPark[font=Verdana];28813830]If "homosex" is a fetish,...
It could very well be that it is a fetish for some. For others it could be predicated on some other psychological issue. And still for others it could be a matter of faulty in utero development.
The only way to determine that is to do conduct unbiased studies, but somehow I don't think that will ever happen.
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.... than it seems to be a fetish of lots of highly gifted and talented people who have made a positive contribution to our society ... people like the poet Walt Whitman, the writer Gertrude Stein, the composer Leonard Bernstein, the sportswoman Martina Navratilova, the author James Baldwin, the playwright Tennessee Williams, the Olympic gold medal winner Greg Louganis, the US senator Tammy Baldwin ... to name just a few.
People who suffer mental illness may be high-functioning in other areas...that doesn't mean it should be glorified.
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ClarkPark[font=Verdana];28813682]Time and time again homosexual behavior ... and same-sex matings and life long couplings has been documented among scores of species of animals.
And those have all been disproved, or shown to be of a psychological nature.
Beavers build dams...should you?
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ClarkPark[font=Verdana];28813682] Among humans, homosexual and bisexual oriented people have been shown to exist in every country, every type of society, in every day and age of human existence.
So have rape, murder and theft, but that is not a reason to condone it, support it, legalize it, glorify it, or protect it.
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ClarkPark;28813682] Homosexuality, unlike, say, Christianity, is universal. In other words there are gay people living in countries where there are no Christians. There were gay people living in this world before there were Christians.
You're very good a presenting Fallacious Arguments. Would you like a link? I'm thinking maybe a list of Fallacious Arguments would enhance your abilities
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From a scientific point of view, being gay is just as "natural" as having blue eyes ... even if the majority of the people in the world does not have blue eyes.
But we don't know that, because it is not permitted to conduct research to gather evidence without first coming to the conclusion that it is "natural," or without distorting and tweaking the data to get the pre-approved outcome.
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Not everyone is born heterosexual. In fact, I'd argue very few are born heterosexual, I think most people are born bisexual, but heavily lean in one direction.
That would be absurd.
Humans are animals and the sole purpose of humans is to procreate to perpetuate the species. The fact that humans can think doesn't alter the fact that humans have only one purpose.
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Personally, I think it makes sense to let straight-identified people marry, not because they were necessarily born that way, but because it seems silly, in this day and age, to get in the way of their desire to marry and/or to have sex with whatever consenting adults they wish. Given the challenges of attempting a lifetime partnership with a person who will be, on average, fundamentally sexually different from oneself, it seems the least we can do for straight people is to let them get married if they want.
It makes sense to allow straight people to marry, because that is the best way to procreate and ensure the survival of the species.
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And where's your evidence that giving homosexuals equal rights will reduce the procreation rate?
I don't have provide evidence of that.
If homosexuality was normal, then men would have vaginas and lactate, and women would have penises...without the need for surgery.
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Your sources are rather dated. 1963? Seriously?
What, so we throw Pavlov out the window?
And for the record....that is science....because Calhoun did numerous such experiments and do did others, all coming to the same inglorious end.
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You think humans are no different to rats? Seriously?
You are precluded from raising the issue.
You have previously argued that animals are "homosexual" and drew comparisons to humans.....
You're all hot for animals so long as the "research" (and I use the term loosely) says what you want it to say, but when there is evidence that conflicts....
...you suddenly flip-flop.
You have proven by your own hand the weakness in your position, and that my position is superior.
Thanking....
How so? You're saying that homosexuals are born with a deviant sexual preference. So are pedophiles. The difference is that gay people are the darlings of society at the moment.
No. The difference is that pedophiles molest and harm innocent children. That you cannot see the difference between loving gay and lesbian couples and people who harm children tells me you have no 'moral compass' at all.
What if homosexuals do have a brain defect? What if it is a mental disorder? What if it is both, meaning what if it really is a brain [biological] defect for some homosexuals, but for other homosexuals it is purely a mental disorder and not predicated on any biological defect?
Don't you want to know the Truth? I do. I wouldn't accept anything less, but obviously under the current climate, legitimate untainted research is impossible....so I guess we'll never know.
As far as you know.
That wouldn't be possible, since there is no god. However, if there would be gods -- like in the OT/NT --- then I'd be very afraid for them if I would be you.
I do, actually.
I never suggested that. I'd line up "homeless" (snicker) people and shoot them, but not homosexuals. At least homosexuals contribute something to society....you can't say the same about the "homeless" (snicker) and welfare pukes.
It hasn't been ruled out. And there is a substantial and significant amount of evidence suggesting it was removed from the DSM for political reasons, not reasons of science.
If only your Red Herring would be relevant...
And if mass murderers and rapists develop in utero, then what?
The thing about maintaining a philosophy is to be consistent in its application. You're the mensaguy, you should know that.
Heterosexual orientation? You're not pining for the annual C-D Göbbels Award, are you?
It's only science if you can replicate it.
It's the only thing they've got.....what did you expect?
That's irrelevant.
You need only to observe Nature and study the fossil record to see that every species on Earth has one and only one function: to procreate.
Homosexuality is anathema to life.
It could very well be that it is a fetish for some. For others it could be predicated on some other psychological issue. And still for others it could be a matter of faulty in utero development.
The only way to determine that is to do conduct unbiased studies, but somehow I don't think that will ever happen.
People who suffer mental illness may be high-functioning in other areas...that doesn't mean it should be glorified.
And those have all been disproved, or shown to be of a psychological nature.
Beavers build dams...should you?
So have rape, murder and theft, but that is not a reason to condone it, support it, legalize it, glorify it, or protect it.
You're very good a presenting Fallacious Arguments. Would you like a link? I'm thinking maybe a list of Fallacious Arguments would enhance your abilities
But we don't know that, because it is not permitted to conduct research to gather evidence without first coming to the conclusion that it is "natural," or without distorting and tweaking the data to get the pre-approved outcome.
That would be absurd.
Humans are animals and the sole purpose of humans is to procreate to perpetuate the species. The fact that humans can think doesn't alter the fact that humans have only one purpose.
It makes sense to allow straight people to marry, because that is the best way to procreate and ensure the survival of the species.
I don't have provide evidence of that.
If homosexuality was normal, then men would have vaginas and lactate, and women would have penises...without the need for surgery.
What, so we throw Pavlov out the window?
And for the record....that is science....because Calhoun did numerous such experiments and do did others, all coming to the same inglorious end.
You are precluded from raising the issue.
You have previously argued that animals are "homosexual" and drew comparisons to humans.....
...those are just a few of dozens of examples.
You're all hot for animals so long as the "research" (and I use the term loosely) says what you want it to say, but when there is evidence that conflicts....
...you suddenly flip-flop.
You have proven by your own hand the weakness in your position, and that my position is superior.
Thanking....
Mircea
Sadly, your obvious prejudice appears to have caused a mental block on this topic.
In all honesty most of us base our view on such subjects in large part upon experiences and observations over out lifetime. Having grown up in a rural community in the conservative deep South and entering my teen years in the mid 1970's, my experiences may not be the same as those growing up in more liberal areas where homosexuals were allowed to be more open.
What I and most other boy's my age in our area encountered was an attempt by older homosexuals to recruit us. Of the 7 other boy's that I was around on a regular basis, only 1 did not experience a similar experience. And we heard of others having such encounters quite often. It usually centered around magazines they would give us. This leads me to believe that's it's less than a thing one is born with than something one is enticed into. Those kid's I knew who entered into homosexual activities were all recruited. While I know there are exceptions to every rule, I must recognize the fact's of what I and my friends and peers encountered.
Based on these facts and God's clear view of homosexuality as sin, I cannot see it otherwise. One would have to change my life experiences and God's word to change my mind. That is of course an impossibility.
So you're deciding truth based off your personal experiences. Sorry...I haven't had your experiences.
How so? You're saying that homosexuals are born with a deviant sexual preference. So are pedophiles. The difference is that gay people are the darlings of society at the moment.
You are 100% wrong on this one. First, you categorize homosexuals are sexual deviants. Secondly, you make the assumption that this deviance makes them similar to pedophiles, along with the implication that homosexuals may be the pedophiles that haven't been discovered yet.
You can't be more wrong.
Real scientists have studied the pedophiles enough to learn a lot about what makes appropriate generalities. Pedophiles are NOT homosexuals. Even the ones that like little boys.
Just because you have this intense desire to spew hatred about gays and lesbians is no reason to post things that are well known as untrue.
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