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There's no such place as hell or the devil. It's all fiction. When you get to heaven the first thing God will say to you is, "I'm sorry you had to fall for all that hell-and-satan cockenbull the Christians were spreading around."
How would you know, besides reading claptrap like "23 Minutes in Hell" and "Divine Revelation of Hell" and other such nonsense by nutjobs like Mary Baxter?
"do educating"? Is English perhaps not your first language?
I fail to see how that article proves your assertion that kids who are raped by pedophiles aren't "humiliated" just because the pedophile is nice to them.
And what does ANY of this have to do with your wanting to die now?
How would you know, besides reading claptrap like "23 Minutes in Hell" and "Divine Revelation of Hell" and other such nonsense by nutjobs like Mary Baxter?
If god exists why he does not provide irrefutable evidences of it? Because he does it deliberately. Main question of atheists to religionists:
- God says he is good. But why then world is ****?
God's (and respectively religion) answer:
- Because people are sinners.
True answer:
- Because god is liar. God created humankind deliberately to make evil to people. To remain "good" herewith he invented Global System Of Lie. Keystone of system is Doctrine Of Sin. According this doctrine god is a priori declared "saint", all people - "sinful". This tenet gives carte blanche to god and whole guilt for evil to victim is being relayed on victim.
So why god hides himself? To provide possibility to make evil and to remain "good".
Originally Posted by Kraspy If god exists why he does not provide irrefutable evidences of it? Because he
does it deliberately. Main question of atheists to religionists:
- God
says he is good. But why then world is ****?
God has an enemy and he controls the earth and his enemy is ours as well...
Let's look at one Holy Book for some answers:
1 John 5:19, "We know that we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.
Sometimes we are in the wrong place at the wrong time. Tsunami, hurricanes, earthquakes, car accidents etc...
Ecclesiastes 9:11, " I have seen something further under the sun, that the swift do not always win the race, nor do the mighty win the battle, nor do the wise always have the food, nor do the intelligent always have the riches, nor do those with knowledge always have success, because time and unexpected events overtake them all.
God gives us standard by which to live by (don't murder, stay with your wife, don't steal, etc). He sent his son to guide our lives. Love your neighbor, pray for your enemy. We also recognize that God is not partial and neither should we be (Acts 10:34,35). But do you think the majority of mankind pays attention? NO, however God is faulted because we choose to ignore what he says. Is that right? NO.
Ecclesiastes 8:9, "Man has dominated man to his own injury."
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraspy God's (and respectively religion) answer:
- Because people are
sinners.
True answer:
- Because god is liar. God created
humankind deliberately to make evil to people. To remain "good" herewith he
invented Global System Of Lie. Keystone of system is Doctrine Of Sin. According
this doctrine god is a priori declared "saint", all people - "sinful". This
tenet gives carte blanche to god and whole guilt for evil to victim is being
relayed on victim.
So why god hides himself? To provide possibility to
make evil and to remain "good".
God doesn't hide himself. He sent his Son to reveal the truth about him and the Kingdom of God:
John 17:3, "This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
Luke 8:1, “He went journeying from city to city and from village to village, preaching . . . the good news of the kingdom of God."
You also presume that hell exists as a place of punishment for bad behavior from your original post. It's important to understand what is meant by hell. For example, some Bible translations are better than others at using the terms Sheol/Hades (hell in some translations) and Gehenna. If you believe in hell as a place of punishment for "bad behavior" you then have to believe that something of ourselves survives death.
But what's found in the Bible about death and bad behavior?
Adam and Eve rebelled against God. You would think they behaved badly thus if there is a hell (like a place of punishment ) they would go there. But what did God say would happen to them?
Genesis 3:19, "For dust you are and to dust you will return."
And what happens to us humans when we die?
Ecclesiastes 9:5, " For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all,"
Ecclesiastes 3:19,20, "19 for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit. So man has no superiority over animals, for everything is futile. 20 All are going to the same place. They all come from the dust, and they all are returning to the dust."
Jesus himself likened death to sleep (not literally but figuratively) John 11: 11-14
Yes-yes, that is what I am talking about. God invented preposterous fable to explain why people must be tortured. I do not mean events of this fable did not happen. All of them indeed occurred but they all were from very beginning planned and artificially arranged by god.
There's got to be a reason why I keep pounding my head against a cement wall trying to make you understand there IS no satan or hell. They don't exist because no one has ever seen them, or felt them or touched them; he's never appeared to anyone; we've only seen him in Medieval paintings with horns in a red-skinned Halloween costume. He's like the mythological dragon St George speared. But because some Stone Age book of myths and legends mentions a character named satan suddenly everybody says, "Ohhh, he must be real because this 3000-year-old pile of worn-out leather skinned scratchings mentions him here and there."
Wow! The sooner Christianity falls the better. Maybe we can get something sensible in its place.
You say god does not exist because you never saw him. But the fact that god wants one part of people believes in his existence and another part - not. So, if you are destined for second part you will be blind for all evidences. It is not in my power to fix it.
You say god does not exist because you never saw him. But the fact that god wants one part of people believes in his existence and another part - not. So, if you are destined for second part you will be blind for all evidences. It is not in my power to fix it.
No, it's not. But it's also in your power to believe in this god contrary to your personal self interest, and then to quixotically rail against him for handling your life incorrectly / unfairly.
You're perfectly free to do what you want, of course, but I just don't understand what the percentage is in believing in god and then complaining about his stupidity. Unless you just want something to complain about.
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