God didn't create man, Man create god (theology, science, scripture)

[effie g-tad]

Originally Posted by Bunjee

On the other hand, as "brilliant intellect" is a human value, that's a way of diminishing the opposite in order to dismiss it, much like calling narratives that have deeper meaning "fairy tales" with none. We're limited in our perceptions, it's true. Therefore one accepts, or rejects, the idea of Mind beyond our own, Purpose beyond our understanding. And we who can accept this can only express it analogously, imperfectly through language. (On a more worldly level, I can't even be certain my position is understood, but not to try to communicate it would make me a poorer human being.)

Rather than the original OP thesis, I'd say the question is more about accepting or rejecting the humanity of believing in God--a more productive, purposeful, anthropological, perhaps less antagonistic discussion--rather than analyzing God, which is futile whatever position one assumes.

well outlined.
if i were to dig deeper into your "accepting or rejecting the humanity of believing in God ..." with a subsequent stability of thought coming with an entirely different set of expressions ... a thread like this would be more like an open-ended journey, yet neither the opening statement nor the mods would provide for straying from commonly recognizable topics.

i suspect that few of us are practised enough to do that.

[tgnostic]

Effie is it Sikhdom or Sikhism? I guess the second way is the more ideological reference, the first way would make the values suspicious of the kind of ritual that ...

[Bunjee]

if i were to dig deeper into your "accepting or rejecting the humanity of believing in God ..." with a subsequent stability of thought coming with an entirely different set of expressions ... a thread like this would be more like an open-ended journey, yet neither the opening statement nor the mods would provide for straying from commonly recognizable topics.

True enough. But "...Man created God" is litera(ri)lly a conviction. Of a significant portion of humanity. It's a very one-dimensional proposition that disallows nuanced comprehension. Is this a self-satisfying conclusion, or is there to be no discussion before the execution?

This leads me to another analogy! I sometimes wonder about last meals, why someone would choose a MacDonald's burger and fries. I can certainly argue the particulars of its being healthy or nutritious. Still, I can't deny it's satisfying for the convicted, and who am I to deny his particular satisfaction with it? So it is with many condemnations.

[ptsum]

Originally Posted by Bunjee

True enough. But "...Man created God" is litera(ri)lly a conviction. Of a significant portion of humanity. It's a very one-dimensional proposition that disallows nuanced comprehension. Is this a self-satisfying conclusion, or is there to be no discussion before the execution?

This leads me to another analogy! I sometimes wonder about last meals, why someone would choose a MacDonald's burger and fries. I can certainly argue the particulars of its being healthy or nutritious. Still, I can't deny it's satisfying for the convicted, and who am I to deny his particular satisfaction with it? So it is with many condemnations.

Hey,two all beef patties,lettuce,pickles,onions,special sauce,on a sesame seed bun,who couldn't love that....just a little humor here....

[effie g-tad]

Originally Posted by tgnostic

Effie is it Sikhdom or Sikhism? I guess the second way is the more ideological reference, the first way would make the values suspicious of the kind of ritual that ...

dang socialization!

[tgnostic]

There is the difference between me and you. Socialization means for me a perspectival Look upon the situation. It's the acculturaization which is the being part of the system which made it objective for You to be part of MAN.

[effie g-tad]

Originally Posted by tgnostic

There is the difference between me and you. Socialization means for me a perspectival Look upon the situation. It's the acculturaization which is the being part of the system which made it objective for You to be part of MAN.

never worked there.

[tgnostic]

I'm satisfied with my paycheque anyhow. It's just the wad vision in it if you know waht I mean. Buddy. Back in eighty-five at the seismic company I was working at it was the useless ambition guy who said something like that. My ambitions have a goal though.

[effie g-tad]

Originally Posted by tgnostic

I'm satisfied with my paycheque anyhow. It's just the wad vision in it if you know waht I mean. Buddy. Back in eighty-five at the seismic company I was working at it was the useless ambition guy who said something like that. My ambitions have a goal though.

Sikhism - thy name is Love and Sacrifice


huh?

[rifleman]

Effeee, you impress this afternoon!

I fear though, that, like the Type 930 Porsche in "full boost" clutch release, we're leaving the more hide-bound Christian types, who like to be all warm and snuggly in their simplified beliefs, in a cloud of philosophical tire smoke!