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Please stop lying about me. I've repeatedly asked that of you and others. If you can't make your case without flat out lying, it says a lot about you.
He's not lying - it's exactly what you said, many times. Once again, it is not our fault that the things you say are so nonsensical and convoluted that even you don't know what you're saying half the time.
My opinion has no effect on truth. The question is "What has God said?"
There you go again, all high and mighty, thinking you know what god wants. You said earlier that you never claim to have an inside track to god, yet you claim to KNOW what god wants, and to KNOW what the truth is. What would you call that?
You are arguing over wording. If god can do whatever he wants because he is above us, then that is the same thing as saying might is right. He is mighty, so he can do whatever he wants. That is your position.
There you go again, all high and mighty, thinking you know what god wants.
You said earlier that you never claim to have an inside track to god, yet you claim to KNOW what god wants, and to KNOW what the truth is. What would you call that?
He told us. You have access to his Word, as well. I don't claim to have any special knowledge. It's not like Jesus been talking to me, telling me what to say.
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You are arguing over wording. If god can do whatever he wants because he is above us,
That's not my argument.
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then that is the same thing as saying might is right. He is mighty, so he can do whatever he wants. That is your position.
I said he can do what he wants because he created us. He owns us. Not because he is simply tough and he came along and took control. Since we originated from him, we belong to him. Not "might makes right".
Seriously....please get it right if you want to try to attack my argument.
No. I have never said might makes right. I challenge you to either quote me on it or recant your statement. Or are you going to lie about me, too?
You do say his status as "potter" means he can do whatever he wants:
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Yes. Romans 9 makes that clear. Just as the clay has no right to tell the potter what to do with it, we don't have a right to tell him what to do with us. He has the right to decide where and how he shows mercy.
You are clearly claiming "status makes right."
Thankfully, the society outside of your church walls has a far more enlightened morality: it's not ok for the creator or owner of a building to blow it up when there are people inside of it. It's not ok for a business creator/owner to abuse it's employees or sell dangerous/defective products to the public. It's not ok for a politician to execute or jail his political opponents, etc.
He told us. You have access to his Word, as well. I don't claim to have any special knowledge. It's not like Jesus been talking to me, telling me what to say.
That's not my argument.
I said he can do what he wants because he created us. He owns us. Not because he is simply tough and he came along and took control. Since we originated from him, we belong to him. Not "might makes right".
Seriously....please get it right if you want to try to attack my argument.
Sorry, I have read your book, and found it severely lacking. It is filled with errors and inaccuracies that any thinking man could not overlook. It is no more the word of god than it is the word of SouthernBored. It is the word of many people who didn't even know the reason for the sun setting. The very fact that you THINK you know what god wants proves you think you have special knowledge. You are not special Vizio. Millions of people have studied those same words and come to different conclusions. Are they all right? Are they all wrong? Is only your interpretation correct? What makes your version right and others wrong? What about all the additions and edits to your precious book? Your book is a joke. It was used to control the superstitious masses.
What a sad life it is when you think you are the property of a god that won't even speak to you. I am no ones slave Vizio, and it is sad that you think we are all gods slaves. Really, really sad.
Let me ask you what the difference is in these two scenarios.
You do say his status as "potter" means he can do whatever he wants:
You are clearly claiming "status makes right."
Thankfully, the society outside of your church walls has a far more enlightened morality: it's not ok for the creator or owner of a building to blow it up when there are people inside of it. It's not ok for a business creator/owner to abuse it's employees or sell dangerous/defective products to the public. It's not ok for a politician to execute or jail his political opponents, etc.
He is only arguing over wording. God is mighty so he can kill whoever he wishes, vs, God is creator so he can kill whoever he wishes. I guess it makes him feel better to think it is simply the master killing the slave, as opposed to a murderer killing an innocent.
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