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The story begins with a flash-forward to this girl getting some dude break into her car with intent to kill her. We then have a man telling stupid jokes on stage. His female friend is having a date by all accounts with another woman, and they're like "Oh crap, I missed the comedy show." We then seque into a dream, where he meets her and gets caught reading an online Bible. She says (rightly) that he has alot of gall reading a book that talks about people getting stoned to death, and that "her sister" is gay. He kinda has to rush out. On the elevator, he meets two women who want to get married. The guy at the law office is obviously evil, and when the elevator crashes after they get off, he calls the operator, who tells him how to open it, but tells him that he can't let people on. He has to make a delivery, and leaves a note by the door, but the guy at the law office sees it, and sees the women, and removes the note. Later, we have him researching "How to witness to homosexuals," and we have this really bad video having a poll of various people using questions of whether being gay is a choice, followed by bible quotes, and they're like "thank you for opening my eyes to the fact that being gay is a sin and I'm going to hell." What crack are these people on? I'd like some of that. Seriously, the video is not at all accepting or even tolerant, but people act as if it's great news. She sees it the next day, as he tells her about this dream, and she's like "that's wonderful! How would you like to come to my party."
The plot is unrealistic, the characters are unlikeable (except for the girl, who I can identify with, sorta), and the video they show is totally unconvincing and unwatchable. In fact, it was after they showed this video not once, but twice, I stopped watching in disgust. Especially after the two seem to ignore the fact that this video is totally offensive, act like it's the best thing they've ever heard, and become friendly after that. Were they watching the same video?!? If I'd seen that video, I would be like "Get out. I never want to see your face again, you don't understand me, and you somehow think that's anyone's idea of being accepting." Coupled with the fact that the elevator scene seemed to be a blunt metaphor of the incredibly patronizing notion that gays need to be "saved." News flash, people. When someone shows you a video like that, you don't feel like they understand you. You don't feel filled with love and warmth. You feel creeped out. The fact is, you've basically, by suggesting this movie said "I believe you're damned to hell, and I want to save you." Oh yea, gee thanks. Mr. Straight White Perfect Dude is going to heaven, and I'm going to hell unless I change who I am and what I like to fit your ideal. And I suppose you haven't had to give up pornography, or drinking, or wife-beating, because that isn't on the list. This is an insulting and hurtful message, and definitely not anything to do with Christian love or forgiveness. Plus, as you'll see, it's out of context.
Let me tell you a better story.
I grew up sorta different. At age 6, my brother dressed me up in women's clothes for a goofy play on David Karesh. At about 13 or so, I had thoughts about this. At 14-16, I tried on my sister's clothes. And after 20 or so, the fact that I couldn't be born a girl depressed me. I hid it from my parents. Which made me more depressed, and split me from my parents. Ultimately, this came to a limit, and I fled across country from my parents. I was declared a missing person, and wandered out to Colorado area. Where it snowed, and I deeply wanted to go home. After making it back, I went to Richmond for awhile. But the rent was kinda out of my reach, and I wasn't getting employed. And I realized I wanted to just work at the library back home. So I made a deal with my parents. They were like "I don't want you going to church with us in drag" so I agreed to attend my own church. I got a job at the library as female. My parents are tolerant but not totally okay with it. I've been bitter in the past about this point, but today I think I see it differently.
Last week, we watched a radio show (watched isn't the right word) about Boston Blackie. My dad explained the backstory of Boston Blackie. He said, "He's an ex-thief. He still uses the skills like safe-cracking, but now he helps the law out. The law doesn't totally trust him, but now he's on the right side."
So this movie had a mini-film, as mentioned above, where they quoted 1 Corinthians 6:9-10.
Quote:
9Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, 10or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God.
and acted like this was somehow accepting or wonderful.
But the horrible part? It's out of context, and the real passage doesn't end here. It goes on.
Quote:
11Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. 12You say, “I am allowed to do anything”—but not everything is good for you. And even though “I am allowed to do anything,” I must not become a slave to anything. 13You say, “Food was made for the stomach, and the stomach for food.” (This is true, though someday God will do away with both of them.) But you can’t say that our bodies were made for sexual immorality. They were made for the Lord, and the Lord cares about our bodies. 14And God will raise us from the dead by his power, just as he raised our Lord from the dead. 15Don’t you realize that your bodies are actually parts of Christ? Should a man take his body, which is part of Christ, and join it to a prostitute? Never! 16And don’t you realize that if a man joins himself to a prostitute, he becomes one body with her? For the Scriptures say, “The two are united into one.”d17But the person who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with him. 18Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body. 19Don’t you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, 20for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body.
I will talk about verse 9-10 first.
The point alot of people miss is that homosexuality, and all these other things are sins. We are tempted to tell other people to bugger off that bother us and call us sinners. But this is not only not productive, this is exactly what sin is. Sin is separation. Pushing people away, picking fights with family and friends and being bitter because nobody loves us. This is when we let hate win in our lives, and don't really help anyone. We are cut off from the kingdom from God, because we are cut off, alone and afraid. Think about the other sins mentioned. Adultery and theft. These are things that in older cultures, you couldn't even talk about because it would make you an outcast. I know about being an outcast.
12-19 next
The other extreme is rather than loneliness, a path of indulgence. I was in Pridefest, and there were a ton of things going on. But there was a note of sadness too. I was kinda "meh" about the drag performers, because it struck me that it was alot of stuff for personal gratification. It wasn't all bad but I'll get into that. The point is, there is a drive to say "whatever, they'll never care about me, so I'm just gonna do my thing and be happy.
There is an opposite drive that I think I should talk about, taking this lesson out of context, and seeing it as a command to be an ex-gay, to go back into the closet and deny that these feelings are real to you. But neither gratification or suppression are really the point of this passage. So, what is?
11 & 20 now
"Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." "for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body."
Let's merge these two thoughts together.
"Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. For God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body."
See how it sort of fits together? That's because this is the original thought. The other crap is filler Paul put in, out of order. You were an LGBT person, and you were discrimination and made an outcast, a "sinner" because of it. You can be tempted to push people away, to go and join orgies, or to become an ex-gay. But here's the thing. You can't become an ex-gay. Any more than you can be an ex-thief. Going back to Boston Blackie, he always has that skill. You always have that desire. It's part of your past. You can continue with it or not, but it will always be who you are. But like some ex-thieves now working in security detail, it is not about your own pleasure. It's about how you can use this to build God's kingdom.
The stuff I paid attention to in Pride? The fair housing services. The national parks wanting to help. The legal firms. The psych help hotlines. They weren't always 100% clued in, but they cared and wanted to make a difference.
I have been trans, and seen people being treated as outsiders. I will never forget this side of myself, and I will never deny it. But it's not about just me. It's about how I can serve. It's "what can you do (as gay, straight, bisexual, pansexual, male, female, intersex, transgender, other, drunk, sober, whatever else that I might miss) to build the kingdom of God? What change would you like to see in this world? Who are you, and what do you have to offer?"
We don't need the message that LGBT people are heading to hell and they need to be saved. We need the message that they can offer us something, and we can offer them something. A viewpoint on how to build a better world.
Thoughts?
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We don't need the message that LGBT people are heading to hell and they need to be saved. We need the message that they can offer us something, and we can offer them something. A viewpoint on how to build a better world.
Thoughts?
Shall we also hold the same view regarding adulterers and fornicators, idolaters, thieves, greedy swindlers, drunkards, etc? Or should we call everyone out of their sin except homosexuals?
1 Cor 6:9-11 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."
If you want to build a better world, you should start out by being compassionate and human. LGBTers are HUMANS that were born to God and he made them that way. God wants everyone to be happy.
I don't need a book that a mere mortal rewrote to suit them, to tell me how to think. I am a loving & compassionate person, and I will treat my fellow man accordingly. Pedophilia is against the law, as is adultery. Being gay is not.
Also, if you're going to spout from your book, may I assume that you also do not eat shrimp, nor wear two types of fabric at the same time? You can't pick and choose which sin applies. That makes you either a hypocrite or a jerk. Or both.
It's a sexual sin. I'm merely asking why you think God smiles on one sexual sin but not others.
No one can explain how being a in a committed relationship with someone of the same gender is unloving or harmful -- therefore it's not a sin.
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