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Talk about who is imposing whose will on society. Lately all I hear in the new is Atheist imposing their will to have the Bible taken out of schools, prayer taken out of schools including taken out of school sports.
What an upside down way of looking at things. That's like saying that doctors are doing wrong by trying to remove cancer from a patient's body. These things you talk about are wrongs - violations of our expressed national standard of religious freedom. They represent a long legacy of infliction of the dominant religion on those of other religions - Dominionism at its worst.
Religious freedom means I get to live in accordance with my beliefs and values within my own skin, within my own home, within my own family, and within my own worship. I don't get to commit tyranny of the majority to impose my beliefs and values on people outside of where my purview prevails. Neither do you.
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Originally Posted by Eusebius
It used to be in America that the majority ruled via voting, you know, the democratic society?
Incorrect. The United States has been a republic since Day 1. We have never been a democracy. The United States was deliberately made as a republic to protect minorities from tyranny of the majority.
I can understand that you, as a member of the dominant religion, are sad about how the corruption of equal protection under the law that you benefited from is on the decline. However, as much as you are sad, you should recognize that this is actually a very good trend, for you, long-term. As has already occurred in much of the Western world, one day you'll be a member of a religious minority. These protections that are finally being administered as they should always have been administered may undercut the infliction of your religion on others, which you want today, but as there becomes fewer and fewer of you, it will serve to protect you from the kind of persecution German Muslims suffer today (which I outlined above).
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Originally Posted by bulmabriefs144
bUU, there's something simple you need to understand.
I probably know more about rights then you'll ever know. So let's stop with the pointlessly puerile throwaway comments.
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Originally Posted by bulmabriefs144
If you want equal rights, you have to earn them.
The good news is that here in the United States, at least, your perspective is a corrupt rationalization for indefensible behavior, vis a vis the law of the land:
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Amendment XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
So basically what you've posted is an excuse for denying people their constitutionally-guaranteed rights. You've outlined a thought process so wholly un-American, that I'm surprised that you thought it smart to share your thoughts in that regard here in the thread.
So what does this have to do with what I posted? It addressed nothing I said. How would it prevent it? The thought that all you have is this life, for me, is a pretty convincing reason not to. How would believing in an invisible deity that tortures mankind prevent someone from committing suicide? Delusions are powerful, Jeff. If someone needs delusions to live their life, more power to them. I don't have to cling to delusions to make it through the day.
If you are in a world of pain and the thought that the only thing in my future is more pain and then the grave, that would be a pretty big motivator to just end it right now. But reading a Bible that preaches that pain is only temporary, God can free you from the bonds of fear and death, that's a pretty encouraging message.
The reality is that you are not Switzerland. You can't claim neutrality and just say you believe in nothing. I believe people like youou worship the physical realm and the creation. I worship the Creator. Your faith comes from tearing down Christianity. Calling our faith an "delusion" is just another example because it's a pretty insulting comment. Brian Head Welch was once addicted to meth and failed many times at rehab. He prayed to God, God showed up and immediately removed his addiction. He flushed down balls of meth and never looked back. Are you going to really say he deluded himself into curing his addiction?
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Originally Posted by southernbored
If you ignore the Quran, where's the difference? If you can ignore the Satanist Bible, where's the difference? If you can ignore the porno, where's the difference? If you can ignore the erotic novel, where's the difference? If you can ignore the Bhagavad Gita, where's the difference? If you can ignore the God Delusion, where's the difference........
The difference, is that a STATE RUN institution shouldn't be endorsing a certain religion. I know you aren't capable of understanding this difference, but please, try to join the rest of the thinking men/women.
And you haven't showed me how allowing a book to be placed in a hotel room equates to the hotel saying Christianity is the official religion of this organization and we endorse it. Chances are if it was any other book than the Bible, there wouldn't be a word of complaint from your camp.
The Bible = Mental health care to most fundamentalists.
They HATE the Affordable Healthcare Act, which expanded coverage for mental health treatment, but they want a Bible in every hotel room because they think the mentally ill, depressed and suicidal will change their mind if there's a Gideon Bible in the room.
There are hundreds of thousands of mentally ill men and women on the streets. I think fundies, if they actually believe the Bible stops suicides, should start paying for hotel rooms for them. The mentally ill could have a roof over their heads AND be cured of depression!
I know why the OP began this thread, obviously to denigrate atheists...(one of his favorite hobbies) plus it feeds his persecution complex....Here is an easy solution, depending on which myth you subscribe to, bring your own damned book.
You mean the belief that the Holy Bible is a work of fiction, there is no God, no life after death, no hope, you are just a pinball bouncing around and hoping to the fake spagehtti gods that the random deck of cards doesn't give you a lousy hand like Charlie Sheen when he found out he had HIV. Your loved ones could suddenly just not exist anymore and become worm food.
Yes, please tell me that believing in that kind of reality would prevent someone from committing suicide.
Atheists don't believe in gods of any kind, that's why we call ourselves atheists.
Anyway, religion and God can't be claimed to prevent suicide. The Paris event is still fresh in our minds. 911? The Bali bombing? Does Jonestown ring a bell, Branch Devidian? All suicides by religious fundamentalists. But worse, those were murder suicides! The casualties run into thousands! All in the name of God.
Atheists don't believe in gods of any kind, that's why we call ourselves atheists.
Anyway, religion and God can't be claimed to prevent suicide. The Paris event is still fresh in our minds. 911? The Bali bombing? All suicides by religious fundamentalists. But worse, those were murder suicides! The casualties run into thousands!
It is my opinion that there would be very few if any suicide bombers if religion had not brainwashed them to believe in life after death....These atrocities are a perfect example of such irrational beliefs and the harm of religion.
"Those who believe absurdities will commit atrocities"........Voltaire
I know why the OP began this thread, obviously to denigrate atheists...(one of his favorite hobbies) plus it feeds his persecution complex....Here is an easy solution, depending on which myth you subscribe to, bring your own damned book.
But it's perfectly find to have threads that overwhelmly denigrate Christians huh? The double standard here is nauseating.
The Bible = Mental health care to most fundamentalists.
You are exactly correct. And using the Bible to cope with mental illness is every bit as dangerous as using alcohol or illegal drugs to cope with mental illness. The Bible is full of psychologically harmful ideas.
What an upside down way of looking at things. That's like saying that doctors are doing wrong by trying to remove cancer from a patient's body. These things you talk about are wrongs - violations of our expressed national standard of religious freedom. They represent a long legacy of infliction of the dominant religion on those of other religions - Dominionism at its worst.
I don't understand what dominionism is. It sounds like a buzzword tho.
Religious freedom means I get to live in accordance with my beliefs and values within my own skin, within my own home, within my own family, and within my own worship. I don't get to commit tyranny of the majority to impose my beliefs and values on people outside of where my purview prevails. Neither do you.
That is correct. You have the right to anything within your own home, and cannot commit tyranny on others.
Incorrect. The United States has been a republic since Day 1. We have never been a democracy. The United States was deliberately made as a republic to protect minorities from tyranny of the majority.
I can understand that you, as a member of the dominant religion, are sad about how the corruption of equal protection under the law that you benefited from is on the decline. However, as much as you are sad, you should recognize that this is actually a very good trend, for you, long-term. As has already occurred in much of the Western world, one day you'll be a member of a religious minority. These protections that are finally being administered as they should always have been administered may undercut the infliction of your religion on others, which you want today, but as there becomes fewer and fewer of you, it will serve to protect you from the kind of persecution German Muslims suffer today (which I outlined above).
Stuff it. I'm not a member of a dominant religion. I'm a churchgoer but not a member of Christianity. I attend church because I have no temple of my own. I scoff at "privilege" talk. It's garbage. The fact is, privilege is also a burden. You often don't have any realistic benefits for your supposed privilege, just duties, and are expected to apologize to others for your "privilege". A good example is "male privilege". I supposedly have all kinds of advantages for being male. Don't remember any of those, and I had to put up with constant expectations to "be a man" to be tough, to not show emotion, etc. Oh yea, and women can opt out of the selective service, while men are pushed into this. Don't wanna kill yourself for your country? Tough, you're privileged, be a man! Oh, but men don't have to deal with rape culture... oh wait. Tell that to the horny bastards who hit on me when I was trying to transition, and had almost zero money, and actually was considering prostitution (I'm into women).
I probably know more about rights then you'll ever know. So let's stop with the pointlessly puerile throwaway comments.
Oh right. Sure I do. I have the right to be abused and neglected, have other men treat me as less than for being trans. And women to treat me like every other male (in other words, an *******) for being born male.
The good news is that here in the United States, at least, your perspective is a corrupt rationalization for indefensible behavior, vis a vis the law of the land:
(Law quote, specifically citing that it applies to born or naturalized citizens, who are subject to the laws. READ. MORE. CAREFULLY)
So basically what you've posted is an excuse for denying people their constitutionally-guaranteed rights. You've outlined a thought process so wholly un-American, that I'm surprised that you thought it smart to share your thoughts in that regard here in the thread.
The law of the land, is that you live by the laws of the land. And trust me, even that is not always enough.
This law you quoted applies to CITIZENS of the US. And it's actually more of a dream than reality in many cases.
There was a bunch of illegal immigrants a month or so ago from Mexico, that said their "equal rights" had been violated, since they didn't get their free healthcare and welfare. Ummm, yeah, you snuck into the country. You're unemployed. You're being a drain to taxpayer dollars. And the first thing you do is declare your rights have been stomped on.
You take an oath to follow the laws of the country. If you aren't doing so, you can be deported.
Quit whining about rights. The fact is, they are provisional to those who follow the laws of the state. As things stand in the US, legal citizens are often treated worse than immigrants. Paying $200 a month for healthcare while we supply all illegal people with full healthcare for free. I'm so tired of entitled people getting away with murder, while I have gone to college, done everything I was supposed to, and graduated from college in debt and with no job waiting for me. I didn't even realize I was trans until later, and still faced no job prospects. Major businesses meanwhile hire 20 immigrants for each one of me. You want to talk about about injustice or inequality, explain that one.
Back to topic.
I have no problem with any type of religious book in hotels. But people don't have the right to tell others they can't have their religious books in the hotel.
But it's perfectly find to have threads that overwhelmly denigrate Christians huh? The double standard here is nauseating.
I am a Christian and I do not feel denigrated. The posts of fundamentalists contain such absurdities and unreasoning credulity that they will inevitably draw the fire of thinking people. It is NOT because you are Christian nor because of Jesus, It is because the content of the posts are "Absurd and Unreasonable!"
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The casualties run into thousands! All in the name of God.
