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Just because you say it is a myth doesn't make it a myth. The fact that they didn't know they were naked until they ate of the forbidden fruit speaks volumes.
Rafius is not making it a myth by saying it's a myth, he's saying it's a myth because it is a myth. He's calling a spade a spade, stating a fact, telling it as it is.
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The sooner we pound ALL superstitious nonsense into oblivion, the better.
This.
I see no reason to base a whole religion on a set of myths. I find it insulting to say the least. It's also unnecessary to have a man God. Jesus the Prophet would have worked just fine. A prophet who put himself through the worst possible torture in the form of crucifixion to demonstrate to us his dedication - and survive, would be just fine. What a great, dedicated teacher and founder of a faith!
But turn him into a God? Assign him with miraculous powers? Turn water into wine? Turning water into whine is an old trick involving a bladder at the bottom of the container. Water gets poured into the container and the wine comes out. No miracle there, just a neat party trick!
Did you know that Moses wrote the true account of Beginnings (that is what Genesis is about)? Genesis isn't a myth just because you say so. It is historic fact.
We are expressly told not to believe in myths:
Yes I did know it was Moses or rather, it is purported to have been written by Moses. It could have been but he did not invent the story, he merely wrote the current fireside or desert school version of the very much older myth of the creation. He may even have modified it himself to what he thought was a better story.
Genesis is not a fact and as you point out, "We are expressly told not to believe in myths:"
Yet you believe the creation myth and you believe the flood myth ..... ?
And just because you take the scribbling of desert nomads seriously doesn't make it anything more than myth.
Moses was trained in all the wisdom of Egypt.
Act 7:22 And Moses was trained in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, yet was powerful in his words and works." He basically had a PhD in their science, math etc.
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You realize the writings in the old testament describe events which, even if true, occurred further in the past than the OT writings are to our present day? And yet you think Moses would have had knowledge from 4000+ years prior to his existence and rely on "his say so".
Of course he did.
Jesus, Who was present during the creation of the world and making the earth habitable again and was the one who formed Adam and Eve of the soil of the earth, was the One Who told Moses how it all went down.
Yes I did know it was Moses or rather, it is purported to have been written by Moses. It could have been but he did not invent the story, he merely wrote the current fireside or desert school version of the very much older myth of the creation. He may even have modified it himself to what he thought was a better story.
Since you were not there when Moses wrote the Penteteuch, you don't know if he wrote the current fireside or desert school version or that he modified what he thought was a better story. You are just making things up.
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Genesis is not a fact and as you point out, "We are expressly told not to believe in myths:"
If the historic events in Genesis were myths they would not be in the Bible.
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Yet you believe the creation myth and you believe the flood myth ..... ?
No, I believe in the historic creation fact and flood fact.
Not only do I believe the historic facts of creation and flood as reported in the Bible, the other writers of the Bible took them as fact as well. Jesus always told the truth and He reported that they were historic facts as well.
Since you were not there when Moses wrote the Penteteuch, you don't know if he wrote the current fireside or desert school version or that he modified what he thought was a better story. You are just making things up.
If the historic events in Genesis were myths they would not be in the Bible.
No, I believe in the historic creation fact and flood fact.
Not only do I believe the historic facts of creation and flood as reported in the Bible, the other writers of the Bible took them as fact as well. Jesus always told the truth and He reported that they were historic facts as well.
The whole bible is a myth (well, collection of myths). Of course the Genesis myth would be in it.
That doesn't mean there are no factual 'facts' in it. Moses likely was a real person and likely was well educated and likely was a very intelligent and influential person - a leader. Having been educated in Egypt in Egyptian mythology and religion he would have had the same indoctrination they did so would have believed myths to be fact - just like you. Just remember that the Anunnaki were part of Egyptian mythology too so the creation myth would have been part of his indoctrination.
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Since you were not there when Moses wrote the Penteteuch, you don't know if he wrote the current fireside or desert school version or that he modified what he thought was a better story. You are just making things up.
No more than you are and Moses did. I mean, the lambs blood on doors and the murder by God of all the Egyptian first borns!
You're making up the bit about Jesus being present at the creation. No he wasn't. He was born sometime around 0 BC (some say 4 BC before Herod the Great's death and 6 AD, the time of the Quirinius's tax census. Oops. Did I just mention a biblical error?
The whole bible is a myth (well, collection of myths). Of course the Genesis myth would be in it.
That doesn't mean there are no factual 'facts' in it. Moses likely was a real person and likely was well educated and likely was a very intelligent and influential person - a leader. Having been educated in Egypt in Egyptian mythology and religion he would have had the same indoctrination they did so would have believed myths to be fact - just like you. Just remember that the Anunnaki were part of Egyptian mythology too so the creation myth would have been part of his indoctrination.
And you have presented zero facts to support your statements here. OTOH, anytime the biblical stories intersect with other cultures, the details are striking accurate. That factor alone lends support to the Bible as real history, not fiction.
And you have presented zero facts to support your statements here. OTOH, anytime the biblical stories intersect with other cultures, the details are striking accurate. That factor alone lends support to the Bible as real history, not fiction.
Not to the bible, but to history. According to anthropologists, myths are often based on real events, with lots of embellishments and culturally appropriate details. If separate cultures tell the same myth it is likely that their ancestors (or their ancestor's ancestors) experienced the same event. For example, the Noah legend could be due to early people surviving a global flooding event and the story of that was passed down to their descendants, within the context of their cultures. As for Jesus Christ, his story is rooted in ancient mythology, for example Horus and Krishna.
Not to the bible, but to history. According to anthropologists, myths are often based on real events, with lots of embellishments and culturally appropriate details. If separate cultures tell the same myth it is likely that their ancestors (or their ancestor's ancestors) experienced the same event. For example, the Noah legend could be due to early people surviving a global flooding event and the story of that was passed down to their descendants, within the context of their cultures.
This applies to the flood myths but what about the creation myths? And the Anunakki myths? Migration of peoples carrying the myth with them? Like maybe an even older civilization that spread out to new areas? Greece, Sumeria, Egypt and India? If so it must have been a long time ago.
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As for Jesus Christ, his story is rooted in ancient mythology, for example Horus and Krishna.
I was thinking that the man existed and his story was embellished by ancient myths. It is said that most scholars accept that Jesus the man actually lived (or likely lived). Interesting.
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