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You will not use the Gita because it is not of your culture. Although many from other eastern cultures use it, now, are they wrong? Of course you assume so because you come from the best cultural tradition, the enlightened one. What about Principia Discordia? I know too arty. This is why I use Moby-Dick.
So two people being naked in front of each other ought to elicit conscientious thoughts? Why would that happen? Having a conscience implies they saw something wrong with being naked in front of each other.
These myths get better and better.
Just because you say it is a myth doesn't make it a myth. The fact that they didn't know they were naked until they ate of the forbidden fruit speaks volumes.
It doesn't though. Adam and Eve's descendants would have no idea what they are missing out on, because they did not experience it in the first place. And it makes no sense for an all-powerful creator to create something he already knows cannot live up to his expectations. Why bother when you can make a perfect creation that fulfills all your requirements?
We all know what we are missing by having the death process chip away at us on a daily basis.
It makes perfect sense that an all powerful Creator would create Adam and Eve in a way so that they could not live up to His expectations. In fact, they did exactly what He intended by going against His will.
God didn't want to start with a perfect creation because in His august wisdom He knew mankind had lots to learn experientially.
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Yes, humans are quite capable of doing much good, regardless of their personal belief systems. Hope you also have a nice weekend.
Many more thousand years than you imagine! You do realize the Genesis myth has its origins in ancient Sumeria? . It has been modified a bit though, over time, as myths tend to change over time.
Did you know that Moses wrote the true account of Beginnings (that is what Genesis is about)? Genesis isn't a myth just because you say so. It is historic fact.
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Having myths in your "word of God" is fine if that's what floats your boat but believing a myth to be literally true is ... well, unbelievable to say the least. What other myths do you believe to be fact?
We are expressly told not to believe in myths:
1Ti_1:4 nor yet to be heeding myths and endless genealogies, which are affording exactions rather than God's administration which is in faith."
1Ti_4:7 Now profane and old womanish myths refuse, yet exercise yourself in devoutness,
2Ti_4:4 and, indeed, they will be turning their hearing away from the truth, yet will be turned aside to myths."
Tit_1:14 not heeding Jewish myths and precepts of men who are turning from the truth.
The New Testament people such as Jesus and Paul spoke concerning the Genesis accounts as historic fact.
Just because you say it is a myth doesn't make it a myth. The fact that they didn't know they were naked until they ate of the forbidden fruit speaks volumes.
And just because you take the scribbling of desert nomads seriously doesn't make it anything more than myth.
You realize the writings in the old testament describe events which, even if true, occurred further in the past than the OT writings are to our present day? And yet you think Moses would have had knowledge from 4000+ years prior to his existence and rely on "his say so".
Did you know that Moses wrote the true account of Beginnings (that is what Genesis is about)? Genesis isn't a myth just because you say so. It is historic fact.
We are expressly told not to believe in myths:
1Ti_1:4 nor yet to be heeding myths and endless genealogies, which are affording exactions rather than God's administration which is in faith."
1Ti_4:7 Now profane and old womanish myths refuse, yet exercise yourself in devoutness,
2Ti_4:4 and, indeed, they will be turning their hearing away from the truth, yet will be turned aside to myths."
Tit_1:14 not heeding Jewish myths and precepts of men who are turning from the truth.
The New Testament people such as Jesus and Paul spoke concerning the Genesis accounts as historic fact.
Of course the writers of the Bible don't want you to believe in myths, as it would ruin their hyperbolic work of fiction. You do realize that if your belief system were true, it would no longer be called a belief system, right? Please prove without Biblical reference, that all accounts of Genesis are historic fact, and not mythical stories created by men.
And what if all possible creation scenarios always results in man becoming sin? What's the alternative, God just never create anything? Maybe God went ahead with creation because despite all the sin and pain, there are still good beautiful things in this life. You act like God owes man everything and that's backwards. God owes us nothing. Man owes God everything. Everything we have is a gift from God. We wouldn't even exist without His hand in creation. Yeah I hate a lot of things in this life. I hate experiencing pain myself, but I will gladly trade a temporary few difficult decades for getting to exist and have eternal life.
The creator is responsible for his creation, just like humans are responsible for the children they decide to create. And if the creator is all-powerful, he CAN create perfect humans.
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We all know what we are missing by having the death process chip away at us on a daily basis.
It makes perfect sense that an all powerful Creator would create Adam and Eve in a way so that they could not live up to His expectations. In fact, they did exactly what He intended by going against His will.
God didn't want to start with a perfect creation because in His august wisdom He knew mankind had lots to learn experientially.
It is cruel to allow suffering when it could be prevented, and then frame it as necessary to teach mankind. You don't let a child run into traffic to teach them it's dangerous. You prevent them from doing it until they can be trusted to be careful.
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I never said they couldn't.
I was agreeing with your original point that guilt by association is wrong.
Besides Jesus did several miracles in His day that defied the natural world.
Yet another claim unsupported by verifiable evidence.
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But that's not good enough. It'll never be good enough until you pound Christianity into oblivion.
The sooner we pound ALL superstitious nonsense into oblivion, the better.
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You want to see your side destroy OUR rights and have an anti-religious society
.Would you be happy to have Islam or Hinduism to be taught in school along with Christianity? Try answering.
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It is almost like you WANT to feel persecuted, to validate your narrative, so you specifically joined here knowing your beliefs would be questioned and rebutted.
You have it spot on old horse. What they do is read Matthew 5:10-12...
'10 Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 “Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.'
...and then go all out to **** people off until we say 'go forth and multiply'...then claim that they are being persecuted.
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The Bible makes it plain that the Christ's sacrifice made the Old Convent law null and void.
You don't even know your own Bible do you Jeff? Actually there was no need for your god to make the laws null and void for you...because they didn't apply to you anyway, they apply to Jews not Christians.
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You do realize that if your belief system were true, it would no longer be called a belief system, right? Please prove without Biblical reference, that all accounts of Genesis are historic fact, and not mythical stories created by men.
