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I'd say that Jewish sages know the Hebrew language better than anyone and they do not see any nonsense like that at all...
No, we and our refer to G-d speaking with His Angelic counsel...Even a six year old could see this...
No, sorry, Elohim is not always used for G-d throughout the Torah, it was also applied to Moishe and used to refer to pagan gods also...Most of the English translation of G-d is from the ineffable Name of G-d, in other words, the Tetragrammaton...
Yeh, we already pointed this out earlier with some evidence to back it up. This one's a dead end, Richard.
As usual, it's just not fruitful to engage a Fundie. They are not here to engage in meaningful or informed debate - they are here to preach. If I wanted that, I'd go to some Fundie church. The additional issue is that they are so convinced that they have the only correct answer, even on issues that are ultimately unknowable. This is where their "Holy Spirit" gives them the authority to spout whatever nonsense they see fit.
Yeah, even as a former staunch fundamentalist, I was NEVER that arrogant and stonewalled, being facetious and running home with my ball each time what I had to say was not met with approval. Guess that is why I was eventually able to break away as hard as it seemed at the time.
When you can demonstrate that you understand how a COMMA works ("The comma is used in many contexts and languages, mainly for separating parts of a sentence such as clauses, and items in lists, particularly when there are three or more items listed."), maybe we can have a conversation that doesn't involve you misunderstanding a simple dictionary entry. As it is, it seems rather pointless.
Shoot away. You can attempt to critique dictionary entries AFTER you learn how to read them. (P.S. - the Bible calls teraphim "gods", or ʾĕlōhîm.)
Evidently your reading comprehension is not adequate. The Bible does not call teraphim elohim. It calls them whae they are, household gods.
I'm still out. This Omega is saying nothing. Just demanding evidence of what is evidenced in the saying. This is a sad zombie of our robust Eusie, and is best left to wander the boards alone.
Typical answer from secular fundamentalists who can only pontificate but can never provide any evidence for what thy say.
They disdain producing evidence because the never have any. What they accept they accept by faith alone.
Bear in mind, there is no mystery as to the origins of the Trinity, nor is there any secret for how this aberrant doctrine emerged. The doctrine of the Trinity was forged out of the crucible of the Catholic Church long after the Christian century. It is, therefore, no wonder that this pagan doctrine was unknown to authors of the New Testament (click here to see list). Church history reveals that it was not until three hundred years after the birth of Christianity that the doctrine of the Bianity (325 C.E.) and Trinity (381 C.E.) received formal approval in the Christian community. These well documented events occurred under circumstances rife with contention, political agitation, and radical dissension in the early Church.
When it was accepted is irrelevant. The theology is reinforced in the Bible. The Trinity is not a pagan doctrine.
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In essence, the Jewish people never believed in a Trinity, and the Church adopted it under enormous political pressure from the most pagan segments of the young Catholic Church. Understandably, missionaries undertake a formidable task when they seek to prove this fourth century doctrine from a radically monotheistic Torah which is timeless. Let’s examine your business associate’s claim.
The Jews rejected may things the Bible teaches. It is still irrelevant what the church or man did. The trinity is taught in the Bible.
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...There is an enormous difficulty with the interpretation that the name Elohim signifies a sort of plurality in the godhead;
Not true. "Im" is a plural ending in Hebrew.
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for if Elohim implies a plurality of persons, how can missionaries explain that the identical word Elohim in Tanach refers to Moses as well? Regarding Moses,
As usual, it's just not fruitful to engage a Fundie. They are not here to engage in meaningful or informed debate - they are here to preach. If I wanted that, I'd go to some Fundie church. The additional issue is that they are so convinced that they have the only correct answer, even on issues that are ultimately unknowable. This is where their "Holy Spirit" gives them the authority to spout whatever nonsense they see fit.
That is a good excuse for not discussing the subject(s) with them. Show me where I have preached. It shows you do not understand what preaching is. What you do is more preaching than what we fundies do. Fundie secularist just don't see what they do is preaching.
What is unknowable to you is not unknowable to everyone. You just can't understand the Bible so you call it unknowable.
Yeah, even as a former staunch fundamentalist, I was NEVER that arrogant and stonewalled, being facetious and running home with my ball each time what I had to say was not met with approval. Guess that is why I was eventually able to break away as hard as it seemed at the time.
I guess it is arrogance to ask for the evidence you never produce. Also answering your questions is not stonewalling. That is just another of your excuses not to discuss things you do not understand. That is understandable.
Sorry to dissappoint you, but I don't have a big house, I don't have a fancy car. In fact my car is 12 years old. My TV's and computers are not the latest version. I don't have a IPad, laptop or any luxury goods. My iphone is an old flip phone that is mostly good for only a telephone.
It doesn't matter Edgar. You have those 'possessions' and your Jesus man-god told you to sell them and give the money to the poor. He didn't say you could keep your possessions if they were old.
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No opinions count for anything. When you offer some evidence they are wrong, get back to me.
So you can't refute what I said. I thought not!
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