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The brain is a TRANSCEIVER, so it is both. It PRODUCES the SELF, but it is NOT the product. The product(Self) exists in a resonant neural field resident in the unified field that comprises our reality. We experience as a delayed playback everything including our sense of Self after it has been produced which makes us THINK we are the replay.
Being conscious IS the STATE OF BEING that comprises our real Self, Box. We experience its playback through the transceiver of our brain as a dynamic and fleeting state because it is a creative process of production over time. There is no reason whatsoever why its normal state absent the production process would be anything but conscious.
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We can't reduce the brain to a transceiver, because we know it plays an important active role in thought. The mechanisms in some cases (though certainly not most) are now well understood. So, even if the brain has a secondary function as a transceiver, the brain is necessary for sentience when one is alive and there's no reason to think a brain would not be necessary for sentience just because one dies.
There is no reduction, Box. A transceiver is a necessary component of a "TV studio." It produces the "broadcast" of the "TV series" we experience while it is being created as we live. Our body and brain are NOT the "TV series." They just enable us to experience contact with this sub-light level of being as a playback of our consciousness recorded in the brain during its production. We are the "conscious being" (Self) that exists as a conscious composite thinking being in what is the unmeasurable equivalent of the EM spectrum that comprises 95+% of our reality. We merely use the capabilities of the brain to interact at this sub-light level of existence. We are simply experiencing the "TV series" we are creating of our actual lifeform in an EM-like spectrum.
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Death can be looked at as a complete form of brain damage, and the experience of death could logically be predicted as a total lack of any sentient activity.
Yes, a complete shut down of the production facility at this level of Being preventing any and all contact and interaction at this sub-light level of existence.
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Though there are admittedly many things about the brain that are not understood, and there always is at least a small chance that some processes could survive without a brain. Still that by far is not what the evidence we now have says is most likely. Based on what we now know, by far the most likely prediction is that no thought occurs when the brain is dead.
You misunderstand. No PROCESSES survive death of the brain, but the Conscious, thinking Being (Self/Soul/Spirit) it has already produced and interacted with over our lifetime DOES.
We can't reduce the brain to a transceiver, because we know it plays an important active role in thought. The mechanisms in some cases (though certainly not most) are now well understood. So, even if the brain has a secondary function as a transceiver, the brain is necessary for sentience when one is alive and there's no reason to think a brain would not be necessary for sentience just because one dies.
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not quite true. Can we transmit what were are thinking? Lets just keep it to em fields for now.
is there an emf around the brain?
how big?
can it influence another person?
Have they had it influence another person in a lab?
also, what is really needed for "awareness" like ours is a volume of complex interactions. Now, can you show me where these volumes are isolated in space? here on earth?
The Bible, my religion and those who have had NDEs.
I cannot "prove" it is true anymore than you can "prove" it isn't true. However, I don't need to prove it.
You believe that countless billions of dead humans, many times more than the population that is now on earth, are living their afterlives in another dimension. But you're not interested in any real proof for this belief?
You misunderstand. No PROCESSES survive death of the brain, but the Conscious, thinking Being (Self/Soul/Spirit) it has already produced and interacted with over our lifetime DOES.
Sapience is an ongoing process that requires the constant interaction of physical objects (a brain in our case). Without those physical objects sapience can not continue to occur.
Even if your previous thoughts somehow continued to exist after your death, they would exist in a useless, inanimate state. You would have no way to create new thoughts, no way to access the memories that remained. They would lie dormant for all time and their existence would not constitute sapience.
Outside of merely hoping it is the case, why do you propose that there are processes in place to utilize residual thoughts that may might remain after your death? What is the best evidence you have that there is something that will make use of any of your living thoughts when you are dead
not quite true. Can we transmit what were are thinking? Lets just keep it to em fields for now.
is there an emf around the brain?
how big?
can it influence another person?
Have they had it influence another person in a lab?
also, what is really needed for "awareness" like ours is a volume of complex interactions. Now, can you show me where these volumes are isolated in space? here on earth?
do a web quest.
I'll ask you the same question I asked my friend MysticPhD above:
Outside of merely hoping it is the case, why do you propose that there are processes in place to utilize residual thoughts that may might remain after your death? What is the best evidence you have that there is something that will make use of any of your living thoughts when you are dead?
There is no reduction, Box. A transceiver is a necessary component of a "TV studio." It produces the "broadcast" of the "TV series" we experience while it is being created as we live. Our body and brain are NOT the "TV series." They just enable us to experience contact with this sub-light level of being as a playback of our consciousness recorded in the brain during its production. We are the "conscious being" (Self) that exists as a conscious composite thinking being in what is the unmeasurable equivalent of the EM spectrum that comprises 95+% of our reality. We merely use the capabilities of the brain to interact at this sub-light level of existence. We are simply experiencing the "TV series" we are creating of our actual lifeform in an EM-like spectrum. Yes, a complete shut down of the production facility at this level of Being preventing any and all contact and interaction at this sub-light level of existence. You misunderstand. No PROCESSES survive death of the brain, but the Conscious, thinking Being (Self/Soul/Spirit) it has already produced and interacted with over our lifetime DOES.
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Originally Posted by Boxcar Overkill
Sapience is an ongoing process that requires the constant interaction of physical objects (a brain in our case). Without those physical objects sapience can not continue to occur. Even if your previous thoughts somehow continued to exist after your death, they would exist in a useless, inanimate state. You would have no way to create new thoughts, no way to access the memories that remained. They would lie dormant for all time and their existence would not constitute sapience.
You refuse to acknowledge that what our brain produces is a sentient Being that only uses the brain to grow and develop itself. The brain processes are NOT the source of sapience. there is no residue of our thoughts that exists when the processes shut down. The brain is the vehicle that enables the existence of the sentient Being that uses it. That sentient Being is only connected with this sub-light level of existence through the brain, but it resides in the unified field that establishes our reality, NOT in our body. It is the sentient Being that is actually doing the thinking, NOT us. We are the "experiencers" of the "delayed playback" of its growth and development reflected in our fleeting thoughts. It already exists and thinks on it own. We merely experience it after-the-fact and believe WE are doing it. Death simply disconnects it from this sub-light level of being.
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Outside of merely hoping it is the case, why do you propose that there are processes in place to utilize residual thoughts that may might remain after your death? What is the best evidence you have that there is something that will make use of any of your living thoughts when you are dead
We know that our conscious awareness is NOT the author of our thoughts, feelings and responses because they occur after any actual decisions are made. This evidences the delayed playback nature of our experiences. That means that the actual sentient decider is some "composite of the entire brain activity" that comprises it. That means that the state representing that composite can NOT reside IN the brain, because the composite must represent the "entire state of the brain" that is to be summarized in the composite. This summary composite state cannot, therefore, be IN the brain without corrupting the very "state of the entire brain" that needs to be represented. This is why I place the locus of this composite we experience as our Self within a neural resonant field in the unified field that establishes our reality. That makes this sentient Being separate from our body and brain despite its inescapable connection to the brain processes that produce it.
... or able to experience other colors or something?
...the soul leaving the body, which on so many different levels would require new rules of physics to explain.
People do experience just that and describe it in those words "colors that don't exist here"
The rules of physics apply to some things but not others. The rules of physics are not the right tool to gauge love, dignity, integrity, trust, inspiration, courage, the soul, the emotions, thoughts, generosity, joy, delight, compassion, empathy, kindness, creativity, intuition, deception, motivation, intention, honesty, the list goes on and on.
Wrong tool for the job.
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We know that our conscious awareness is NOT the author of our thoughts, feelings and responses because they occur after any actual decisions are made.
Perhaps, but we know that a physical mechanism is still required to have those thoughts and to make use of those thoughts. Consciousness thought, whatever it is, is useless without a brain. You are claiming that ongoing conscious thought does not require a brain, which is a bigger claim than just that a brain isn't sufficient to explain all of consciousness.
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This evidences the delayed playback nature of our experiences. That means that the actual sentient decider is some "composite of the entire brain activity" that comprises it. That means that the state representing that composite can NOT reside IN the brain, because the composite must represent the "entire state of the brain" that is to be summarized in the composite.
Again, even if that is true, a brain is still necessary to create and modify the composite. For any of the information to be useful, a functional brain or it's equivalent is required. To say that "the state representing that composite can NOT reside IN the brain" does NOT mean that a brain isn't a necessary requirement to make use of the conscious thoughts. In other words, even if all that you believe is true, it still would result in cessation of sapience once the brain is dead.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
This summary composite state cannot, therefore, be IN the brain without corrupting the very "state of the entire brain" that needs to be represented. This is why I place the locus of this composite we experience as our Self within a neural resonant field in the unified field that establishes our reality. That makes this sentient Being separate from our body and brain despite its inescapable connection to the brain processes that produce it.
Even if the locus of the composite we experience as our SELF were in a neural resonant field, that doesn't mean that composite can continue to experience sapience without a brain. How would the ongoing work of conscious thought continue in the neural field if there were no brain? If the self requires a brain while you are alive, what evidence do you have that it would not require a brain when you are dead, regardless of where the self is located.
I realize I divided that up into three parts, but in essence my response was the same each time. Which, to summarize is: Even if everything you said were true, it would still not explain why a physical mechanism was not required to carry on the on-going work of sapience. You are simply explaining why consciousness does not reside in the brain, and perhaps that not all of consciousness can be explained by activity in the brain. But you haven't provided evidence that the brain isn't necessary to support the on-going work of consciousness.
a physical mechanism is still required to have those thoughts and to make use of those thoughts
.....[the brain is] necessary to support the on-going work of consciousness.
Your soul does not need a physical brain to think or physical eyes to see or physical body to feel. Your soul does however choose to incarnate in a physical body time and time again because it offers an opportunity to grow and improve in ways that are not possible unless it is in this physical plane.
Physical existence offers the soul opportunities to grow and advance based on the choices you make in how you respond to life situations, do you demonstrate loving kindness, generosity, honesty, and cultivate the finer qualities? Or do you choose greed, dishonesty, selfishness, get ahead no matter what the cost.
Thinking is not the goal. Growing into your best self is.
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