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Old 09-03-2016, 07:27 AM
 
Location: US
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Methinks you don't fully understand what the establishment clause is all about. Separation of church and state means NO favoritism to any religion. Two hundred years from now it may save your off-spring's off-spring from having to convert to Islam.
Isn't that what I just said?...I think it is YOU who doesn't understand what the first amendment is about...




First amendment of the Constitution

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.


Seems to me that that bible club was in fact peaceably assembling until the FFRF interfered with that assembly...It was their right to peaceably assemble and they have been interfered with, and THAT is unconstitutional and illegal...
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Old 09-03-2016, 08:54 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Do you have any statistics on that?...
There are 34 accidental shootings for every shooting in "self-defense".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nt-people-die/

If the self-defense issue is as bad as the NRA claims then the accidental shooting represent a holocaust.

/derail. Start a thread if you want to carry on with this.
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Old 09-03-2016, 08:59 AM
 
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There are 34 accidental shootings for every shooting in "self-defense".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nt-people-die/

If the self-defense issue is as bad as the NRA claims then the accidental shooting represent a holocaust.

/derail. Start a thread if you want to carry on with this.
Just curious.....have you lobbied your Senator and/or Congressman to ban cars? There are many many more that die as a result of cars than guns.
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Old 09-03-2016, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Just curious.....have you lobbied your Senator and/or Congressman to ban cars? There are many many more that die as a result of cars than guns.
That's about the weakest argument that anyone can put forward. Back to the topic
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Old 09-03-2016, 09:30 AM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Just at the way they spin things and the ultra-sensitive society that we have today where everything bothers them makes it easy for them to push their agendas...It might not last long...
That would require a Constitutional Amendment or the turning over of a multitude of SCOTUS decisions. Good luck with that.
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Old 09-03-2016, 09:31 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Just curious.....have you lobbied your Senator and/or Congressman to ban cars? There are many many more that die as a result of cars than guns.
False equivalence AGAIN! You guy all read from the same script, the one with the NRA letterhead. That's just sad.
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Old 09-03-2016, 09:32 AM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Isn't that what I just said?...I think it is YOU who doesn't understand what the first amendment is about...




First amendment of the Constitution

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.


Seems to me that that bible club was in fact peaceably assembling until the FFRF interfered with that assembly...It was their right to peaceably assemble and they have been interfered with, and THAT is unconstitutional and illegal...
Obviously the FFRF disagrees with your statement. And the school board attorneys obviously understood that the FFRF was right. Two different attorneys, same conclusion.
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Old 09-03-2016, 09:33 AM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Does the First Reformed Voodoo Church get to hold meetings on that school's grounds?
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Old 09-03-2016, 10:59 AM
 
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Does the First Reformed Voodoo Church get to hold meetings on that school's grounds?
Do they want to? Are they represented among the students there?
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Old 09-03-2016, 11:00 AM
 
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False equivalence AGAIN! You guy all read from the same script, the one with the NRA letterhead. That's just sad.
Really? I didn't copy that from anyone. It's a valid point. If you're going to cite public safety and accidental death as a concern, then you ought to care about banning automobiles.
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