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What killings have been done in the name of atheism? Name one. There hasn't been one. You're forgetting somethings. First of all...
Hitler was a Catholic..
Stalin was a Georgian Orthodox Christian..
Mao Zedong had a lot of beliefs from Chinese folk religion..
The fact that someone silences the religious doesn't mean they are atheists. Do your research.
Oh lord, dude.
I'm not an advocate of any religious system but if you're implying that these atrocities were essentially committed as religious actions you are mistaken. I understand that you are pointing to the fact that these guys didn't kill in the name of atheism but that you list their religion of origin implies something more than that.
I'm sure that "logical", "rational" mind of yours will come up with some convoluted way to argue with this (you'd argue with a turnip if you could) but the religious "roots" of these three monsters is irrelevant.
Hitler devised a rationale for killing the Jews.
There is no end to the variations of corruption that can be justified by rationalizing, philosophizing, logic, etc.!!!
The foundation (so to speak) of their actions were mental constructs .... concepts ... that provided them with the rationale to do whatever the f_ _ _ they wanted to do.
I haven't read this entire thread so perhaps i'm misunderstanding what it is that you're implying. But if i'm reading you clearly .... oy!
There is nothing wrong with rational thinking but if the human being that uses that aspect of mind is not "guided" by either some system of morality (which religion, in theory, provides) or a pure mind and heart (which can be attained without religion), the potential outcome is pretty scary.
But it certainly is true that a human being can rationalize and justify horrendous acts by misunderstanding and misusing the concepts found in whatever religion is "guiding" them. There are many posts on this forum that demonstrate that.
Oh lord, dude.
I'm not an advocate of any religious system but if you're implying that these atrocities were essentially committed as religious actions you are mistaken. I understand that you are pointing to the fact that these guys didn't kill in the name of atheism but that you list their religion of origin implies something more than that.
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No, he's not implying that! You have to look at the context of the previous posts (which I guess you didn't do if you think that's what he meant). Someone posted that all those leaders were atheists, and that if atheists ruled the world we'd have those sorts of atrocities happen again. All Haaziq was showing is that they were not indeed atheists, and none of those bad things were done in the name of atheism.
No, he's not implying that! You have to look at the context of the previous posts (which I guess you didn't do if you think that's what he meant). Someone posted that all those leaders were atheists, and that if atheists ruled the world we'd have those sorts of atrocities happen again. All Haaziq was showing is that they were not indeed atheists, and none of those bad things were done in the name of atheism.
Context...it's all context.
Well, my bad R. but what i said still holds true even though i may have been less than perfect in following the thread.
By listing the religion of origin of the 3 men there was an implication there that i responded to.
And regardless, the essence of my post was that there is potentially great danger in being guided in action solely by mental constructs and, because i was having a previous discussion on this thread regarding the use of logic, constructs, etc., i did have a context and i posted what i posted. And since this thread is about "atheists" as rulers there is a broader and more subtle context that i was also addressing even though i missed that particular section of this thread.
And i don't know whether or not, regardless of their religion of origin, they were atheists. I don't care one way or another about how they are labeled but certainly they did not embrace, live by and act from any of the essential principles that the religious paths we are generally familiar with share in common .... Oneness, Peace, Love, etc.
Well, my bad R. but what i said still holds true even though i may have been less than perfect in following the thread.
By listing the religion of origin of the 3 men there was an implication there that i responded to.
And regardless, the essence of my post was that there is potentially great danger in being guided in action solely by mental constructs and, because i was having a previous discussion on this thread regarding the use of logic, constructs, etc., i did have a context and i posted what i posted. And since this thread is about "atheists" as rulers there is a broader and more subtle context that i was also addressing even though i missed that particular section of this thread.
And i don't know whether or not, regardless of their religion of origin, they were atheists. I don't care one way or another about how they are labeled but certainly they did not embrace, live by and act from any of the essential principles that the religious paths we are generally familiar with share in common .... Oneness, Peace, Love, etc.
None of the three Abrahamic Religions do more than give lip service to oneness, peace and love. They've waged war non-stop for several thousand years. They've been champions of hierarchy, patriarchy, and oppression. It's time to pull the plug on them and watch them swirl down the drain.
No, he's not implying that! You have to look at the context of the previous posts (which I guess you didn't do if you think that's what he meant). Someone posted that all those leaders were atheists, and that if atheists ruled the world we'd have those sorts of atrocities happen again. All Haaziq was showing is that they were not indeed atheists, and none of those bad things were done in the name of atheism.
None of the three Abrahamic Religions do more than give lip service to oneness, peace and love. They've waged war non-stop for several thousand years. They've been champions of hierarchy, patriarchy, and oppression. It's time to pull the plug on them and watch them swirl down the drain.
That's strange, i can't remember waging any wars, or oppressing anyone.
I believe love to be the most powerful attitude we can project, peace and oneness are attainable through asking, seeking and knocking.
Not sure where your getting your examples.
That's strange, i can't remember waging any wars, or oppressing anyone.
I believe love to be the most powerful attitude we can project, peace and oneness are attainable through asking, seeking and knocking.
Not sure where your getting your examples.
Ruby, The Dalai Lama is Tibetan, and you profess zen, both of the Mahayana school. The Hinayana schools don't seem to care about any of this, it is not in the realm of their discussions that I know of. I've studied Theravada, they go by the 4 Noble Truths and Eightfold Path. Very basic.
I'm sorry, i sincerely don't understand what you are saying. I "profess" zen?
Well, i speak of it once in awhile. And yes, the Dalai Lama is Tibetan. And therefore?
And there are many "streams" of Buddhism. Yes.
I just don't understand your point.
Sorry, probably not the best choice of words. You've made some posts where you suggest that people study zen.
My point was that there are many schools of buddhism, and that there are significant outward differences between hiniyana and mahayana. The main points about buddhism are the 4 noble truths and eightfold path. Other than that, the sky is the limit.
People who read this frequently don't know there's a difference.
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