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Originally Posted by Katzpur
Fact check: Shirina's knowledge of Mormonism sucks. In her attempts to make Mormonism sound ludicrous, she merely proved how uneducated she actually is about the religion's beginnings and its claims.
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If I had a nickel for every time someone used ad hominem attacks against *me* instead of refuting what I said, I could make Trump my window washer.
And even though I haven't read the rest of the post yet, I'm sure there will be even more ad hominem attacks forthcoming.
So while Katzpur attempts to sound "mature" and above it all, what she will *not* do is explain - politely - how I'm wrong and provide the right answer. Because I don't proclaim to know everything about every religion - though it is beyond doubt that I had to Google some of the names - and there they were. For instance, I couldn't remember the name of the planet that Jesus and Friends were supposed to go, and there it was - Kolob.
So - if what I say is so untrue, then why did it turn up in a Google search front and center? And no, it did not turn up in a website regarding misconceptions that people have about Mormonism. Nope. It was there to describe precisely what I said.
As such, when I attack a belief - and then a believer turns around and attacks *me* - personally - then I can't help but figure they're talking a mountain of steaming male cow excrement.
Right, Katzpur? Oh no, don't bother answering. Because you've already told the truth without even realizing it.
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Originally Posted by Katzpur
I don't see how anyone can say such malicious things and actually feel good about themselves.
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Fact Check: Religion's privileged place in society as being beyond reproach and criticism is over. Period.
I also find it absolutely hilarious that I've been on this forum for years and never really said much about Mormonism. But boy, when I do - and it wasn't much at that - look out! Sure, I can attack fundevangelists all day, but if I say something about Mormon beliefs, it's no holds barred. Time to pummel Shirina with a post full of ad hominem attacks (and no refutations, I might add.)
Also, this line of posting is sophmoric and juvenile. It's a stupid and transparent attempt at shaming me or making me feel guilty by claiming what I said was "malicious" and "gee, how can anyone feel good about themselves being so mean!"
In other words, I'm supposed to somehow feel guilty for daring - DARING - to say something unflattering about Mormonism. Anybody else's religion, well - that's different. But not MY religion, you heathen baby-eating malicious atheist scumbag! You better treat MY religion with nothing but respect and reverence!
Are you serious? What, do you think you're dealing with an amateur here? Give it up now while you have the chance.
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Originally Posted by Katzpur
I'm not going to respond to her post because I don't want to derail this thread
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Um, too late.
What do you call the post I'm responding to? A ... non-response? "I'm not responding to her post, nope, I'm just writing my post to let everyone know that I'm not responding to her post. Plus, by not responding gives me an excuse to write an irrelevant post filled with personal attacks (note: my post that she's crying about had exactly ZERO personal attacks in it) while not having to make any refutations or actually show where she's wrong. Yay! Instead I get to just say that she's wrong and uneducated and then insult her some more. Whee!"
And that's how people like you respond to a post without - actually - responding - somehow.
Because, see, when I decide not to respond to a post? You just ... don't see ... a post. It just isn't there. Because it doesn't exist. Because, you know, I decided to ... well ... not respond. Ya know?
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Originally Posted by Katzpur
but it's hard not to be both angry and hurt when your beliefs (not to mention things you don't even believe at all) are so callously ridiculed.
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I don't care what you personally believe in. Okay, so Katzpur doesn't believe in magic underwear and Kolob. So what.
Did I mention the name of "Katzpur" anywhere in my mean, thoughtless, malicious, horrible, atrocious, evil, bullying, attacking, relentlessly angry, rant-filled, loud, profanity-laced, horrific, terrorizing, and traumatic post? Um, no ... not unless someone hacked my account and added her name.
But Katzpur here decided to not-respond by responding with a bunch of personal attacks because, for some bizarre and inexplicable (well, I can sort of explain it, actually) reason she decided to wait 5 years to make a feeble attempt at going for my jugular. I mean, where was Katzpur for the last 1,824 days and 3 hours? She knows who I am, what I believe in, what I stand for, and the kind of posts write. It's not like I was a big Mormon supporter until just now.
Oh, I've said this before, probably, for the most part, in various private chats, that this place has gone down hill. And when I say "down hill," I'm talking about the difference between the peak of Mount Everest and Death Valley - if not the Marianas Trench. Why, someone might ask? Because the believers have gone soft.
Even people - like Katspur - who used to have a backbone and didn't get all bent out of shape over the most minor and oftsaid criticism of their religion are now acting, well, like Katzpur. If you say anything bad about religion, this is the kind of response you get. Not a refutation. Not even a correction. Instead, you just get an eyeful of personal ad hominem attacks, emotional responses, and shaming. I know precisely WHY this is happening and why people are acting this way, but since no one is going to do anything about the problem, I'll be surprised if there's anyone but believers left on this forum within the year - back-patting themselves until they start tearing each others' throats out as Catholics, Fundevangelists, Mormons, JWs, Muslims, Pantheists, and general Theists start criticizing each others' beliefs - which is what always happens.
And naturally this just had to be said: For someone who claims not to believe in those things, you sure are getting upset over them. It sounds suspiciously like the lady who dost protest too much. Oh, not because I think you secretly believe in those things. But usually if I criticize a belief or two that you personally don't share, the usual response would be something like, "Well, not all Mormons believe in magic underwear or the planet Kolob - I don't, and it is ridiculous." And then go on to defend whatever part of their faith I criticized that they DO believe in. But instead Katzpur got upset because I criticized beliefs she doesn't even have. LOL! She may as well defend Muslims or Taoists for all it's worth. As such, it just sounds to be like she just *wanted* to be angry - and judging by the last couple of lines of her post - was hoping to gain a few allies in the process.
But at least I wrote the post Katspur is bellyaching about. But ...
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Originally Posted by Katzpur
I find it telling, Mystic, how you're right there to cheer Shirina on when she attacks beliefs other than yours, but when she attacks yours, she "goes a bridge too far."  |
Then you have this.
Mystic didn't write a post about Mormonism. And how you're blaming *him* too? Really?
Remember what I said about knowing WHY things have gotten as bad as they have? Well, here's one of the reasons. It's not enough that she has to attack and (try) to shame me for what I wrote. She also has to (try) and shame Mystic for what he DIDN'T write.
Also, spare us all your hypocrisy. After all, as I've already said, you sat silently by while I attacked other people's religions - but when it's YOUR religion - everyone else, including Mystic, is supposed to rush to your defense.
Look at what is written below my name in the top left corner of this post. It says: "Militant atheist. Grrrrr."
I've had those words written after my name with each of the several thousand posts I've written here. It hasn't changed. Did you think that Mormonism was so exalted, so special, so true that even I wouldn't dare defile the sanctity of the second most obviously hoaxed religion in the Western world?
I've written less than a handful of posts against Mormonism because it just doesn't come up much here. And even when I did write something, you never really said anything about it before. But now ... woah! Not only am I not supposed to say anything bad about your beliefs, other people who aren't even Mormons are supposed to defend you?
Are you crazy?!
Even when I tone things down - a lot - it isn't good enough. Quite a few believers on this forum are doing precisely what I've been warning everyone about for the last 5 years. You don't want our opinions on religion to have a voice. You want we atheists to pretend as though we respect all belief systems and if we dare to step out of line, if we have the temerity, the audacity, the unmitigated GALL to say something negative about religion, well, every believer of every faith is now obligated to squash us with numbers, not logic or arguments, until we shut up and crawl back to our A&A forum - where, even THERE, believers still invade and criticize what we think and what we believe.
I dunno, though - maybe you'll get your wish and the only people left will be Rufais and Transponder - because frankly I'm tired of people who can't distinguish their beliefs from themselves. I hear crap about atheists almost every day - and each time they are misrepresenting what atheists believe. If I got my panties in a twist - like you did - over every little negative remark about atheists, I wouldn't even have time to eat, I'd be so busy huffing and throwing a tantrum.
And at the end of the day - heh - not that I'm at all surprised - you didn't even say how and why I was so wrong. These days, a lot of believers on this forum just want to cry like spoiled children who shout, "Make the evil atheists shut up, mommy! Make them go away!"
It's pathetic.
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