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IMO, to create equilibrium within 50 AU of sun, seems to require some unimagineable amount of intelligence and an unimagineable amount of force to be applied with an unimagineable precision.
The more complex you make your god, the more improbable it becomes. You have just argued your version of your god is most unlikely. Unimaginable.
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For example, a slight change in the 23.5 angle, and life is perhaps over on earth.
So how did this happen? This equilibrium was put in action by who or what? Or it formed by itself? I ask this because we know that 50AU of sun didn’t exist before the Big Bang.
We are here because the conditions allow us to be here. the hole is not designed for the puddle, but the puddle forms because the hole allows it to.
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If this equilibrium was created and put in effect on a random chance then,
Here is a small experiment I would like you do for me.
Get a small empty bucket and go out to your driveway.
Collect a few small rocks and put them together to form the alphabets to spell your name.
Take a photo of your name made by that rock formation so you have an evidence.
Now put all the rocks in a bucket, and toss them high in their, and see if they land on the driveway by forming your name again?
So you did not understand the snowflake example.
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If no, then look at the design and motion of the astronomical rocks, that we call stars and planets, within the 50AU of sun, and ask yourself that how such a design on astronomical scale can form by chance when the landing rocks don’t form your name by chance?
Names = complex and very specific. Stars and planets = not as complex, nowhere near as specific.
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Second question.
Please enlighten us with your scientific work and formulae/calculations where you calculated, complexity vs volume ratio in a common cell and compared that to the biosphere's ratio. And you noticed that the calculation matches better with life than any other non living thing you know.
And frankly speaking, I am not aware of any term called “Biosphere Ratio”. So let’s start with a short and precise explanation of that and then move on to the actual question 2 and 1
Preferably in the science section, where it belongs.
What enables evolution to be possible, Arq? What is the source of everything about our reality that you take for granted as a given?
Innate physical laws of matter.
Please don't say "Who made dem laws, anyway?"
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I have long ago realized that you do NOT engage in philosophic thinking so I am not surprised that you think a simple definition of the process involved in evolution answers the much deeper question I asked. It is vague to you because you are unaccustomed to contemplating the deeper issues that involve what we otherwise take for granted about our reality. For you, our reality is what it is and you do not trouble yourself with questions about why or how it is as it is. Arq at least seems to try to do so but he is not comfortable with it and has no real facility with such thinking.
Matadora deals in what science can verify. You can deal with investing Faith in speculations. Just don't expect the rest of us to buy it.
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That you consider this post insulting reveals an inappropriate understanding of insults. There are far too many of you in here who make a habit of seeing insults where there are none, I suspect deliberately.
You are simply leaping on that for some material to brandish at your opposition, as you have damn' little else.
I am used to your haughty and deprecating tone - (some of which we see above with you peeing on my mental capacity) and which as a damage -limitation exercise, you have in the past semi apologised for - but others can see it as insulting, and you should recognise that it is with some reason.
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That you consider this post insulting reveals an inappropriate understanding of insults. There are far too many of you in here who make a habit of seeing insults where there are none, I suspect deliberately.
Perhaps, if many people are seeing insults, there may be a reason that they do.
First: (somewhat scientific and philosophical) - you seem to believe that there are EXTREMELY accurate yet dynamic forces that are in play in nature - and these dynamic forces (their direction and magnitude changes) are so extremely intelligent and so extremely powerful that they are holding everything together within the 50AU from the sun? Mind you, there is A LOT of cosmic action going on with great accuracy within the 50AU of sun.
IMO, to create equilibrium within 50 AU of sun, seems to require some unimagineable amount of intelligence and an unimagineable amount of force to be applied with an unimagineable precision. For example, a slight change in the 23.5 angle, and life is perhaps over on earth.
So how did this happen? This equilibrium was put in action by who or what? Or it formed by itself? I ask this because we know that 50AU of sun didn’t exist before the Big Bang.
If this equilibrium was created and put in effect on a random chance then,
Here is a small experiment I would like you do for me.
Get a small empty bucket and go out to your driveway.
Collect a few small rocks and put them together to form the alphabets to spell your name.
Take a photo of your name made by that rock formation so you have an evidence.
Now put all the rocks in a bucket, and toss them high in their, and see if they land on the driveway by forming your name again?
If no, then look at the design and motion of the astronomical rocks, that we call stars and planets, within the 50AU of sun, and ask yourself that how such a design on astronomical scale can form by chance when the landing rocks don’t form your name by chance?
(sorry, but I have to smile) I am sure we have done the fallacy of planned intention (TM ) before. You assume that the way that the universe, Life and Everything has turned out is a planned result. The correct analogy would be tossing the rocks or pebbles on a slab and ...however they form a pattern...is the pattern they form. The chances of them forming your name - astronomical. The chances of forming the formation that they do? Inevitable. I know the evolution of a working method (design) can look like it was planned, but in fact the sheer waste of extinction argues against any planning.
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Second question.
Please enlighten us with your scientific work and formulae/calculations where you calculated, complexity vs volume ratio in a common cell and compared that to the biosphere's ratio. And you noticed that the calculation matches better with life than any other non living thing you know.
And frankly speaking, I am not aware of any term called “Biosphere Ratio”. So let’s start with a short and precise explanation of that and then move on to the actual question 2 and 1
They try to be. But it doesn't work on we crusty ol' atheists.
It's a curious coincidence but I was just thinking about the workplace bully and they way they work, and how an attempt to find a compromise position is Not the solution to the problem.
So you still do not understand. That is OK, other people will.
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Matadora deals in what science can verify. You can deal with investing Faith in speculations. Just don't expect the rest of us to buy it.
- but others can see it as insulting, and you should recognise that it is with some reason.
) before. You assume that the way that the universe, Life and Everything has turned out is a planned result. The correct analogy would be tossing the rocks or pebbles on a slab and ...however they form a pattern...is the pattern they form. The chances of them forming your name - astronomical. The chances of forming the formation that they do? Inevitable. I know the evolution of a working method (design) can look like it was planned, but in fact the sheer waste of extinction argues against any planning. 
They try to be. But it doesn't work on we crusty ol' atheists.
