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Old 02-12-2019, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Non-answer
So is every bible quote. That's never stopped you.
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Old 02-12-2019, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Non-answer
It's not a non-answer. It's just not an answer you like.

But if you want I'll give you the christian answer: If it's good, god did it. If it's bad man did it.
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Old 02-12-2019, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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It's not a non-answer. It's just not an answer you like.

But if you want I'll give you the christian answer: If it's good, god did it. If it's bad man did it.
Yes, it was a non-answer. You know the truth is, man is responsible for all the evil in this world, god or no god. You were gutless to not admit that.
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Old 02-12-2019, 07:02 PM
 
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Yes, it was a non-answer. You know the truth is, man is responsible for all the evil in this world, god or no god. You were gutless to not admit that.
I notice you live in Walt Disney World, jimmie. That speaks volumes.
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Old 02-12-2019, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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I notice you live in Walt Disney World, jimmie. That speaks volumes.
Another copout. You guys have no compelling response. That speaks volume.
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Old 02-12-2019, 07:21 PM
 
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Yes, it was a non-answer. You know the truth is, man is responsible for all the evil in this world, god or no god. You were gutless to not admit that.
I disagree with the bolded portion.

If evil is a matter of agency, a being with power and free will did something to instigate it, then in a world with a god, god must be responsible for at least some evil. As one example, God could make planetary weather better so that there are never droughts, reducing starvation. Since God, through inaction, allows people to starve, God is responsible for evil.

Man might exacerbate evil in a world with a god, but the god is definitely culpable as well.

In a world without a god, you might be right. Man might be responsible for all evil. Again, this does depend on the definition of evil. There may be hard choices involved, and in some cases man may have no choice but to choose an action that results in evil, but I see no other possible source for evil.
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Old 02-12-2019, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Yes, it was a non-answer. You know the truth is, man is responsible for all the evil in this world, god or no god. You were gutless to not admit that.
Actually, not at all.

Possibility #1: There is a god. If so, I will either hold him responsible for the good and the bad, or I will hold him responsible for neither.

Possibility #2: There is no god. If so, I will hold man responsible for all the evil in the world...and all the good in the world.

You see, unlike you, my premise is consistent and I take responsibility...which you don't.
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Old 02-12-2019, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Yes, it was a non-answer. You know the truth is, man is responsible for all the evil in this world, god or no god. You were gutless to not admit that.
Well, you are man, so accept the blame you evil-doer. Because "man" (mankind) includes YOU.
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Old 02-12-2019, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Actually, not at all.

Possibility #1: There is a god. If so, I will either hold him responsible for the good and the bad, or I will hold him responsible for neither.

Possibility #2: There is no god. If so, I will hold man responsible for all the evil in the world...and all the good in the world.

You see, unlike you, my premise is consistent and I take responsibility...which you don't.
LOL

No, you don’t take responsibility and you are inconsistent. If there is a god, it’s his/her/it’s fault people get AIDS. If there is no god, well, I guess you’d have to blame the person.
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Old 02-12-2019, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Well, you are man, so accept the blame you evil-doer. Because "man" (mankind) includes YOU.
I have no problem with that.
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