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There's nothing for me to declare. I'm no expert on any religious matter. That's why I'm Cliff noting off others and open to hearing the various world religions, no matter how bizarre they may sound. Everything that you are arguing about was already in existence before I was born, and it looks as though death is inevitable. If you are lucky enough you get 70-80 yrs of life and you get to pick and choose your battles, just like the cicadas and salmon.
I can declare that I'm hypocritical-tree-hugger and that I think the Big God is an environmentalist with a perfect footprint. Pass the plate, time to take up an offering.
If you had been told the story below hundreds of thousands of times since you were an infant, wouldn't you believe the story to be true and not a myth?
Matthew: 1:18-25
Heracles, born of a virgin made pregnant by a god. Jesus, born of a virgin made pregnant by a god.Hera, queen of Olympus sought to have the baby Heracles killed out of jealousy. Herod, king of Judea sought to have the baby Jesus killed out of jealousy.
Of course...nobody is told this "hundreds of thousands of times"...even if told every day, it is only ten thousand times in 30 years.
Nonetheless...how do you intend to cope with the fact that most people (and that is, MOST) believe these kind of theological stories? They have for a thousand years, do now, and probably will for a time to come.
You will do nothing, because you can do nothing, to change that...MOF religion is growing in saturation of the world population.
It appears you are up the creek without a paddle on this. Sorry.
Of course...nobody is told this "hundreds of thousands of times"...even if told every day, it is only ten thousand times in 30 years.
Nonetheless...how do you intend to cope with the fact that most people (and that is, MOST) believe these kind of theological stories? They have for a thousand years, do now, and probably will for a time to come.
You will do nothing, because you can do nothing, to change that...MOF religion is growing in saturation of the world population.
It appears you are up the creek without a paddle on this. Sorry.
I don't quite get the gist of your post, Gldn. My point was that if you had never heard of Jesus and were told the story of Heracle's virgin birth thousands of time since the cradle you would be worshiping Heracles now instead of Jesus. We are products of the programming we have received since birth.
I don't quite get the gist of your post, Gldn. My point was that if you had never heard of Jesus and were told the story of Heracle's virgin birth thousands of time since the cradle you would be worshiping Heracles now instead of Jesus. We are products of the programming we have received since birth.
I never heard that Heracles had a message other than “might makes right “ I will grant that some would fall down before the purveyors of that message, but I doubt the broad base the message of Christ inspired
Mary didn't have a virgin birth...where did that come from. Shouldn't be on the list.
Maybe there is a confusion as to what the Immaculate Conception was?
(I mean, believed to be.)
Actually many are a surprise to me..Alexander, Ptolemy, Mohammad, Kabir, Zoraster..huh? Caesar? What?
Come on!
Buddha was the son of a king...
Some Catholics have concluded that Jesus would have necessarily required a perfect vessel to have been given birth from. The notion that Mary was herself the product of a virgin birth has been debated by Catholics for centuries.
Wikipedia
Immaculate Conception
The doctrine of the immaculate conception (Mary being conceived free from original sin) is not to be confused with the virginal conception of her son Jesus. Catholics believe that Mary was conceived of both parents,[11] traditionally known by the names of Saint Joachim and Saint Anne. In 1677, the Holy See condemned the error of Imperiali who taught that St. Anne in the conception and birth of Mary remained virgin, which had been a belief surfacing occasionally since the 4th century.[12] The Church celebrates the Feast of the Immaculate Conception (when Mary was conceived free from original sin) on December 8, exactly nine months before celebrating the Nativity of Mary. http://www.city-data.com/forum/newre...ply&p=55163313
Some Catholics have concluded that Jesus would have necessarily required a perfect vessel to have been given birth from. The notion that Mary was herself the product of a virgin birth has been debated by Catholics for centuries.
Wikipedia
Immaculate Conception
The doctrine of the immaculate conception (Mary being conceived free from original sin) is not to be confused with the virginal conception of her son Jesus. Catholics believe that Mary was conceived of both parents,[11] traditionally known by the names of Saint Joachim and Saint Anne. In 1677, the Holy See condemned the error of Imperiali who taught that St. Anne in the conception and birth of Mary remained virgin, which had been a belief surfacing occasionally since the 4th century.[12] The Church celebrates the Feast of the Immaculate Conception (when Mary was conceived free from original sin) on December 8, exactly nine months before celebrating the Nativity of Mary. http://www.city-data.com/forum/newre...ply&p=55163313
But then if you really wanted to do this right you'd have to conclude that even Mary's grandmother was the product of an immaculate conception to keep the stain of sin off Mary's mother and then in turn, Mary herself. Then how far back are we required to go to make sure Mary had no stain of original sin on her? That'd be all the way back to Eve and we know Eve is the one who brought original sin into the world. So the Catholics are damned if they do and damned if they don't. The whole thing is circular. Which points up how ridiculous this whole "born of a virgin" dogma really is.
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Maybe you can try borrowing some honesty from someone since it doesn't appear to be innate.
That'd be all the way back to Eve and we know Eve is the one who brought original sin into the world. So the Catholics are damned if they do and damned if they don't. The whole thing is circular. Which points up how ridiculous this whole "born of a virgin" dogma really is.
