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Old 07-20-2019, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Germany
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Too bad there weren't more atheists who would have done such a wonderful job of running things.
Your comment is just silly. Atheists do not believe in gods. That is it. That has no bearing on whether an atheist can run things or not.
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Old 07-20-2019, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA
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Love it! And honestly, I thought about the use of this analogy when I quickly decided to use it, but in all fairness...

Don't electrons actually repel one another? And as such is it really that incorrect to unscientifically describe their repulsion of one another as "bouncing against one another?"
LOL...no honey.....they are bouncing the hell all over the place...
just not against each other..
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Old 07-20-2019, 09:44 AM
 
Location: WV and Eastport, ME
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That's a weak attempt to try to remove Christianity from history. The nation was founded by PEOPLE not by a written text written by politicians.

It's the same kind of absurdity as when people try to read and interpret the Bible without believing in God. The Bible is about faith. It won't make sense to an unbeliever even if reads it a quadrillion times.
Are you going to cite a reference to your claim that Christianity was a reason the US declared itself separate from the English crown? I gave you a link to the Declaration Of Independence. It enumerates quite a few specific grievances the colonists had with King George III.
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Old 07-20-2019, 11:38 AM
 
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It tells us that religion is passed on from one generation to the next. It doesn't tell us anything about whether the person it is passed on to will keep it in tact, change it to suit themselves (I think that is most likely), or discard it entirely. I have a feeling that most people born in all religions are not observant later in life, but still maintain that religious identity. There is also a big difference between religion and any church. Churches are a business. Religion is a belief.
If the inculcation were anywhere near as less able to keep the religion "in tact," we would have seen the great evaporation of religion in these parts of the world where they have been prevalent in their locale for many centuries now. Instead, they continue generation after generation very much "in tact" as far as the numbers show still to this day.

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Old 07-20-2019, 11:40 AM
 
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It was not. The colonies had various forms of religious freedom. Some had official state religions and some had complete religious freedom. Virginia even levied taxes to support the Anglican church. Please go read the Declaration of Independence (here it is: https://www.usconstitution.net/declar.html) and tell us where Christianity is mentioned. The US Constitution clearly establishes that the country was founded on secular principles. It specifically says that no religious test can be imposed for public office.
Thanks. Facts and documented history have a very hard time competing with what people of faith want to believe to the contrary...
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Old 07-20-2019, 11:45 AM
 
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That's a weak attempt to try to remove Christianity from history. The nation was founded by PEOPLE not by a written text written by politicians.

It's the same kind of absurdity as when people try to read and interpret the Bible without believing in God. The Bible is about faith. It won't make sense to an unbeliever even if reads it a quadrillion times.
Though true to a point...

https://www.adherents.com/gov/Foundi..._Religion.html

...needless to say religion was a dominating force back then too.

Of course there were Christians involved in the history of the United States, but the separation of church and state was established upon it's foundation. This should speak volumes with respect to the reality about how this country was founded by the PEOPLE at that time, despite religion.

Whether this "great experiment" is working because of religion or despite religion is another "great debate" that deserves more than just a little consideration if the truth of these matters is the goal here...

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Old 07-20-2019, 11:53 AM
 
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I do think that Mensa overstated the situation a bit, but not nearly as much as you do. The whole world does not revolve around christianity. But if you want to give the Floundering Fathers so much credit, fine. Then you mix in with that all that they wrought -- slavery and the Civil War for starters. They laid the groundwork for both and more. And that "more" included christian organizations such as Ku Klux Klan. That was your people.
Might also consider this read to broaden the perspective about all the "good, bad and ugly" in these respects...

"A Brief History of Creation: Science and the Search for the Origin of Life," by Bill Mesler and H. James Cleaves II
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Old 07-20-2019, 11:54 AM
 
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Faith makes you blind to what is in the Bible. It makes more sense when read as a document that records the evolution of religious beliefs than as a contradictory theological work.
"What faith makes you" begins with what the word "faith" means in the first place.
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Old 07-20-2019, 11:57 AM
 
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Your comment is just silly. Atheists do not believe in gods. That is it. That has no bearing on whether an atheist can run things or not.
Can't say I disagree especially since it is difficult to get people of faith to follow someone who doesn't have the gods on his/her side...
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Old 07-20-2019, 11:59 AM
 
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LOL...no honey.....they are bouncing the hell all over the place...
just not against each other..
Well honey...

Seems you are not only splitting atoms but hairs too!

Keep up the good work at keeping us honest in any case. Much appreciated!
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