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Old 02-04-2009, 06:17 AM
 
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You don't believe in chance? I bet you won't jump off a high building because you know your chances of surviving are slim to none...or do you have faith that god has a greater purpose for you and you'll survive. Chance or probability is a measurable statistic based on the likelihood that an event will occur. It is used every day in our lives...to figure out our car insurance premiums...to create odds at horse races...to whatever you can think of...there is a probability attached.

The same can be said about earth. Though the probabilities are extremely low of such a situation occurring in the universe...we are here and not coincidentally.

Yes, I understand the idea of probability.

My point is that I believe some people have replaced the idea of an omnipotent God with the idea of omnipotent chance...meaning that it's unbelievable that a God exists...but they are willing to believe that it just happened by chance.

I don't believe that.
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Old 02-04-2009, 06:24 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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There is a theory in physics... can't remember the name of it. But anything in chaos moves towards chaos (not inertia...something to do specifically with chaos). Chaotic things can't organize themselves.

If you blow up a brick house, are the bricks going to fall down from the explosion and make an even better house? NO! Yet that's what the big bang theory says happened to the universe.
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Old 02-04-2009, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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There is a theory in physics... can't remember the name of it. But anything in chaos moves towards chaos (not inertia...something to do specifically with chaos). Chaotic things can't organize themselves.

If you blow up a brick house, are the bricks going to fall down from the explosion and make an even better house? NO! Yet that's what the big bang theory says happened to the universe.
No it doesn't...Not at all.

The Big Bang Model is a broadly accepted theory for the origin and evolution of our universe. It postulates that 12 to 14 billion years ago, the portion of the universe we can see today was only a few millimeters across. It has since expanded from this hot dense state into the vast and much cooler cosmos we currently inhabit. We can see remnants of this hot dense matter as the now very cold cosmic microwave background radiation which still pervades the universe and is visible to microwave detectors as a uniform glow across the entire sky.

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/bb_theory.html

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Old 02-04-2009, 06:53 AM
 
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I am going to read this entire thread later, but at this moment I don't believe that it was chance. But I certainly don't believe in the Biblical God for other reasons. The closest to my understanding is that there is a creator, but that this creator is not involved with us in any way.
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Old 02-04-2009, 07:45 AM
 
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There is a theory in physics... can't remember the name of it. But anything in chaos moves towards chaos (not inertia...something to do specifically with chaos). Chaotic things can't organize themselves.

If you blow up a brick house, are the bricks going to fall down from the explosion and make an even better house? NO! Yet that's what the big bang theory says happened to the universe.

entropy.

try not to make the atheists think. they don't like that.
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Old 02-04-2009, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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There is a theory in physics... can't remember the name of it. But anything in chaos moves towards chaos (not inertia...something to do specifically with chaos). Chaotic things can't organize themselves.

If you blow up a brick house, are the bricks going to fall down from the explosion and make an even better house? NO! Yet that's what the big bang theory says happened to the universe.
Chaos theory simplified.
YouTube - Chaos Theory
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Old 02-04-2009, 09:20 AM
 
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entropy.

try not to make the atheists think. they don't like that.
It's unbecoming (and un-Christ-like) of you to be petty like that. Atheists actually have to think about everything, since they aren't handed any answers in a mythical book.
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Old 02-04-2009, 09:40 AM
 
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It's unbecoming (and un-Christ-like) of you to be petty like that. Atheists actually have to think about everything, since they aren't handed any answers in a mythical book.

I can't be a little snarky, but they can be downright nasty and rude to us, attacking and blaspheming my God at every opportunity? Even your response to me here claiming the Bible is a "mythical book" is an example.

Let's be fair.

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Old 02-04-2009, 09:47 AM
 
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I can't be a little snarky, but they can be downright nasty and rude to us, attacking and blaspheming my God at every opportunity? Even your response to me here claiming the Bible is a "mythical book" is an example.

Let's fair.
I'm big enough to take criticisms of my philosophical beliefs without resorting to insults. Go ahead, feel free to slam on Buddha and Buddhism; it won't make any difference to how I feel about it, and if Buddha were still alive he'd take it with aplomb too.

Blasphemy is subjective. A non-Christian cannot blaspheme your deity anymore than a non-Buddhist can say anything that "blasphemes" my beliefs. So where's the problem?
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Old 02-04-2009, 10:01 AM
 
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I understand the creator created everything in this dimension that we are studying. The creator gave life in this dimension and hasn't said anything to anyone.
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